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Elk: Heart Shot or Lung Shot?
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 Posted: Fri Sep 16th, 2016 11:39 AM
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I have been reading that when an elk size animal is hit through and through in the heart, that he will go down very quickly and will be easy to recover.

Conversely, I have read that a through and through shot through both lungs of an elk will not always cause him to drop and many times, he could go long distances with both lungs hit hard and bleeding the typical, bright red, lung blood.

Is this true?

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There are guys on here with much much more elk hunting experience than me and they may be able to give you a better answer than me. I've killed two elk, both were cows in the 400 to 500 pound range. The first one ran with the rest of the herd and I lost track of it. I hit it right behind the front shoulder the bullet went all the way through. I found it dead about 75 yards from where I shot it. The second one was farther away and went down with the shot but fell out of sight. When we got to it the elk was very much alive with it's head up but it couldn't get up. I shot it in the head. I'd hit it on the shoulder. I've killed a boat load of whitetail deer and every one of them that was not hit on the shoulder or the spine ran 50 or more yards. Some of them when field dressed had no identifiable lungs, some the heart was a lump of jello. Elk are deer on super steroids. They are much bigger and much much tougher.



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Killed my 5x5 with a 180 gr partition at 3010 FPS.

Punched a whole through him so big I could see Wyoming.  

He ran uphill about ten steps turned left and died. 

Shot a huge 6x6 on the plains North and west of Craig.  30/06.  150 partition.  about 175 yards.  He ran far enough-1/4 mile?   to allow himself to be shot again by a guy with a 7mag and he got to claim the trophy.   

Shot a cow 65 yards with 180 partition she dropped like a spine shot. 

All 3 animals hit in the same basic place directly behind the front leg right at the crease.  All 3 through and through. 

If the elk has the slightest idea you are in the neighborhood he is gonna run.  They have enough blood in their system to run for about 7 or 8 seconds if the heart is gone. 

I heart shot a TN doe, she was a monster, no head feet guts or hide, weighed 110. 
This doe ran, top speed, over 100 yards.  She fell twice and 3rd time got wrapped around a sapling and ran in place laying on her side, wearing her hair completely off in a big swatch.  She was mush inside. 

The doe came out of the forest onto my trail and we stared at one another for a few seconds as I raised my rifle.   She was hit with a 150 Accubond at about 40 yards and 3,050 FPS. 

Last year a doe at 12 paces with the same Accubond 06.    Left a blood trail on both sides of the path she took.  went over 50 yards, probably closer to 100.  Died leaning against a cedar tree.  She saw me as I squeezed the round off. 

You just freaking never know.   If they see you, they tend to run further.



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I shoot for the vessels on top of heart, puts them down quickest, next to spine shot. If you're a hair low, you take out heart, back a bit lungs, high spine of vessels, below spine, too far forward shoulder, gives you the best odds. If you only take out the lungs, they can go for 3 minutes, before they drown. Hole in heart, about half that. Vessels to brain, 14-30 seconds, unless you get lucky and seen hydrostatic shock through vessels to brain and they drop in their tracks. Liver/gut shot and they can take 3 or more hours. Take out shoulder and fragments frequently take out vessels, heart, lungs or combo.



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I try to double lung them, break up the plumbing, as much as you can, and if they've moving keep shooting.



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an elk can take some serious lead. if you are not comfortable about poping them in the head or neck take out there front legs. (shoulder shot) it also hits vitals and gives you time to hit a elk with another round. take out a front leg they cant go to far, but even shot in the spine behind the front shoulders will drag himself quite a ways. i just hate ruining meat if i have to so i take a lot of head or neck shots on deer and elk. 86



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Of the elk that I've taken,all have been double lung shot.
Barnes & Berger bullets is all I've ever used, both have great accuracy & terminal performance.
One elk went 40-ish yards, the rest died within 5 yards of where they where shot.

As a side thought, seems a shame to waste such a fine cut of meat as an elks heart.



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woodsman, we even check other peoples gut piles for elk and deer hearts. most people don't know what they are throwing away! good stuff. 86



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mtman714 wrote:
I try to double lung them, break up the plumbing, as much as you can, and if they've moving keep shooting.

+1, I've only killed 8 or 9 elk, but never had a problem shooting for a double lung shot with a 30/06 or 7 mag. These outdoor writers have to have something to write about and normally exaggerate or make-up problems, elk are just big deer. They are tough but they are not bullet proof.



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I was with my buddy that just got the new Remington 8MM when they came out , Just took my bull at apx 100-135 yds out with my 280 Rem and 160gr Noslers the bull was a text book shot just stood there for maybe 1-2 minutes before it droped.. as we waited another bull shows up maybe some 40-50 yards from mine , my buddy put some 4 rounds into him with the 8MM Rem Mag before it dropped. Both bulls taken within some 4-5 minutes and within some 135 yds. Both with super racks one was 7x7 the other 7x6 Go figure that one out. His 8MM were factory rounds my 280 were reloads- don't remember what loads he was shooting but the bullets were going straight through him and not opening up ( figured we were too close to the kill for them to open up.)



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Last years elk was hit with a 286 gr 9.3x62, one inch behind the eye. Never move except to fall straight down. off side of skull was gone with its contents.

If range is beyond you sure kill head shot; I take a heart shot; if really long, then heart/lung shot.

as with most game, shot depends upon the range and one's shooting skill.



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I loaded up the 160gr. 7mm Barnes TSX with the shoulders in mind. Usually not a problem hitting both shoulder when the game is presented in profile.
Head on, shoot under the chin, into the chest.
Going dead away, hold on and hope they stop to look back for even a second. Of course if the going away shot is when they are going up hill or down hill, I can go for the neck/back bone breaker shot.



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I would like to get Saddlesore to chime in on this thread. He has more experience shooting elk than probably the rest of us all put together. Personally, heart shot, double lung shot, I've never been able to tell much difference on any of the big game that I have taken. All told well over 100 animals.



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This thread has become more interesting, just because of so many variables. Range, angle, caliber, bullet weight, MV, weather, and lots more.

My only salvation, in terms of not allowing wounded game to suffer, is to take whatever rifle and ammo that I am going to use hunting and get in lots of practice. Different ranges. All the shooting positions. Good light and poor light. Shoot in the rain, heat, cold, or any other weather conditions, while practicing.

All of this leads to the shot on game being made on "auto pilot". I do not seem to have any conscious thought, in terms of how to mount the rifle or trigger pull, when the game appears and I can safely take him under fire. All the practice comes into play and the butt of the rifle finds itself snug against my shoulder and my eye is aligned with the scope. When the "kill area" is right in the scope, the rifle goes off, with no recoil felt. If I have done my job and already know the result of a correct hit, then the animal is given a quick and nearly painless death, entering deep shock and within one minute, stone dead.
That is what I strive to do.

This entire exercise not only makes us better hunters, but doing all of this is a good part of what we owe the game animal. I enjoy telling the non-hunters, that the animals from which their steak is derived and they buy it in plastic trays at the market, suffered far more than do my game animals, when death comes.
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saddlesore is probably out hunting, give him a pm swampshooter. o my brother wacked a 74" moose the other day, very happy for him and if i can figure out how to post pics. will get some on here. 86



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74", that's a dandy moose. Shiris?



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no, it is a yukon bull. i have taken 3 bulls in ak myself just working and living up there, a 45" a 55" and a 58" moose so i am satisfied for my self. man i just love eaten moose, one of my favorites! 86:thumbs:



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I didn't think that Shiris ever got that big. But they are present in Idaho. A B.C. hunt makes a lot of sense since the meat could be transported home by highway. Air freight rates for meat are ridiculously expensive.
If I have to eat something that was wearing antlers, moose is very good, but cow elk is my favorite meat.



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74" WOW, congratulations. the world record had a only a 75-5/8 inches max spread.



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bear i want to get it one here, but my brother said he presher washed the antlers off and said they lossed 1/4" already. told him wait a yr. and see! even thouth it is a old down hill bull, cooool! let it shrink 3"s and will still be over 70"s. i have to get this pc. figured out. 86



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