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 Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2010 02:53 PM
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This is along the same lines of; should there really be "shall issue" CCW allowed in the states? And should people really be allowed to buy any firearm just because they are 18 and the Constitution says they can.

Honestly the answer is hell no! I've assisted to many CCW classes and watched people that didn't know how to LOAD their pistols manage to get a few rounds on the paper at twelve yards and be legally allowed to carry. And the same goes for the people that buy an SKS, or an AR-15 go to the range once, then slap it under their beds or in a safe and expect to be able to use it if the need arises.

Common sense tells me that there should be a way to ensure these people aren't complete idiots and have at least a cursory knowledge of using a dam gun.

But... And it's a BIG but. Do I trust that any "common sense" law won't be perverted, or changed in the future to usurp my rights? Nope. Given the choice I'd rather have inaccurate dolts, and fools owning firearms. Then to allow the government a possible ability to ban guns, or make it near impossible to own them at some point.

My personal opinion is people shouldn't be allowed the full rights of a citizen unless they have served in the military. No voting or public office unless you have served. That would mean I'd be out as I crushed my spine sky diving just before joining the Marines. Grandfather was a Marine, my cousin, and I groomed myself since I was a youth to join. And in one fell swoop I boned myself... I couldn't even be a pogey!

But I digress. I once saw a picture in one of the shooting mags of a three year old "champion" shooter. Would I let my 4 year old shoot? Nope. She loves reloading (seating the bullets. moving brass no powder measuring yet), but I don't think she's ready for a real rifle. If another person thinks their own child is ready, then they need to be ready for the consequences if they are wrong. I don't want the government stepping in and doing it. While a youngster may be to immature, and cause an accident. It isn't a certainty. Giving the Feds the power to control how/where/when we can own guns and hunt/shoot NEVER ends well.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2010 03:27 PM
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"Giving the Feds the power to control how/where/when we can own guns and hunt/shoot NEVER ends well."

 

Giving the Feds the power to control anything never ends well. There is already way too much government control over WE THE PEOPLE. :pissed:

Paul B.



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I don't see how a 4yr old would be of the proper size nor have the strength to properly hold and aim a Big Game rifle of suitable caliber for a bear of the size noted.  His arms wouldn't be long 'nuff to even reach the trigger nor could he even see to line up the sights/scope properly.  Musta been the rifle was propped up for him IF he indeed did pull the trigger.  My kids were shooting at a younger age to learn the how to's. My son, for instance, shot his first game at age 11....a ruffed grouse with a 20ga. shotgun.  4yrs old is too young IMHO!  edit:  not too young to go along on a hunt but too young to be hunting with a firearm.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 20th, 2010 09:16 PM
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Guys, Don't be such busy-bodies!!!!

Leave the time to begin hunuting to the parents. Make your own decisions for your kids and grand-kids, but quit bitching about what others would/should do.

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I believe this is a discussion forum:confused:.........

so, what's wrong with discussing and expressing our views/opinions????????????:confused:

YOU just expressed your opinion!:wink:

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I grew up in Arkansas in the mid and late '80s. first deer was a huge rite of passage. all us kids really NEEDED that kill. We understood what it was to take a life for the purposes of dinner. Many kids,not just boys, had that kill by 9 or even 8. several years have passed, my son has hit that age and all but doubled it. The state I now call home will not allow big game hunts for kids until the age of 12. My son was almost lost because of this restriction. By that age they are over exposed to the electronic lifestyle. Everything in life is acsessible at the touch of a button. 7,8, or 9 is plenty appropriate for deer and antelope hunting in order to keep their interest in hunting. My son could think of no better goal at age 9 or 10. when 12 rolled around hunting was too much work and too much waiting. 5 yr old is questionable, yes, but I feel it is better to have the option open to the family, than to possibly make them wait too long. Only as long as the child is PROPERLY stupervised!!!!!!



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I grew up in Arkansas in the mid and late '80s. first deer was a huge rite of passage. all us kids really NEEDED that kill. We understood what it was to take a life for the purposes of dinner. Many kids,not just boys, had that kill by 9 or even 8. several years have passed, my son has hit that age and all but doubled it. The state I now call home will not allow big game hunts for kids until the age of 12. My son was almost lost because of this restriction. By that age they are over exposed to the electronic lifestyle. Everything in life is acsessible at the touch of a button. 7,8, or 9 is plenty appropriate for deer and antelope hunting in order to keep their interest in hunting. My son could think of no better goal at age 9 or 10. when 12 rolled around hunting was too much work and too much waiting. 5 yr old is questionable, yes, but I feel it is better to have the option open to the family, than to possibly make them wait too long. Only as long as the child is PROPERLY stupervised!!!!!!



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Anyone have any idea if you can load 270 shells with benchmark powder and a magnum primer?



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Luke, Welcome to HB. I moved your question over to the reloading for rifles forum. Here's a link you can check out or simply look in the reloading for Rifles forum for a thread Reloading 270 Win....Benchmark? RD

http://www.handloadersbench.com/view_topic.php?id=18046&forum_id=5&jump_to=151542#p151542



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HALF COCKED wrote: I grew up in Arkansas in the mid and late '80s. first deer was a huge rite of passage. all us kids really NEEDED that kill. We understood what it was to take a life for the purposes of dinner. Many kids,not just boys, had that kill by 9 or even 8. several years have passed, my son has hit that age and all but doubled it. The state I now call home will not allow big game hunts for kids until the age of 12. My son was almost lost because of this restriction. By that age they are over exposed to the electronic lifestyle. Everything in life is acsessible at the touch of a button. 7,8, or 9 is plenty appropriate for deer and antelope hunting in order to keep their interest in hunting. My son could think of no better goal at age 9 or 10. when 12 rolled around hunting was too much work and too much waiting. 5 yr old is questionable, yes, but I feel it is better to have the option open to the family, than to possibly make them wait too long. Only as long as the child is PROPERLY stupervised!!!!!!
An old thread revived.Who is to say that a blind and a rest wasnt used to bag the bear.In that situation,with direct supervision a 5 year old that can keep it on paper should be able to make the kill.I am glad that Arkansas allows the adult to make the decision,not the government.I have twin 10 year old grandsons living with me.They each have a computer at their disposal,with on line movies.It is what YOU do with them that will shape their future.Fishin,huntin campin,shootin,I cant load the truck quick enough.But then some kids just dont care for it.Maybe they need to go out to the garden and pick /dig their supper.



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Tennessee decided that 10 was the magic age to get a license if you passed the hunter educ class.  I had them in the woods about 6 I guess.  They found a maple leaf that was bigger than their head and kept it until it disintegrated and that one experience has not left them.   Two years ago we were hunting and of course it began to rain.  As the rain hit some mushrooms, little clouds of dust were raised.  It was funny and we all laughed and laughed.  They still talk about it.  

Keeping them off the game boxes and PC is easy, has been easy.  Time is rationed to them based on grades and chores, and never more than 60 minutes every other day.   They don't even want cell phones.  No matter what I do when at home, I make them help or do it with me if they don't volunteer).  Right now, they are on a stepladder trying to figure out how to program the timer for the sprinkler system and I ain't helping much cause I ain't there.  Later today, they have to go to Church to practice for the Christmas pageant and while they complain and moan and groan, I catch them practicing on their own time.  They can solder.  They can use a dremel.  They hate drywall work but they can do it.  We got the lawn tractor running.  They reload, shoot, and take the results to school for braggin rights.  They play baseball (both have an eye for the ball), soccer, one made the JV football team. 

It is not easy and is not always pleasant but the rewards are worth the effort.  No kid is ever totally lost until you give up. 



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12, My son is 30 now. When he was a kid he had his guns on a rack in his room from about age 12 on. He got about 4 times the allowance that his buddies got but had to buy all of his own clothes and anything else he wanted (always saved enough to be swappin guns it seems), did 100% of his own laundry from 5th grade on, set his clock and got himself up, showered and dressed waiting in the car for me to take him to school every morning. If he was late I'd be late for work and he'd have to walk. He never walked. Shot his first deer at 12 with a .54 cal. ML. We had alot of good times in the woods. I limited his Game box playing too. He never got one. LOL. He got his Eagle Scout sash and is now a US Navy Diver, 1st Class with 3 boys of his own. It's all about teaching personal responsibility regardless of age. Sounds to me like you've got the plan down pat. I've no doubt about how his will get raised either. RD



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I say an awful lot of prayers for them, I can tell you that. 

As for a 5 year old  I won't agree or disagree.   I never met a 5-year old that could hit the toilet if you get my drift.   Just hope the kid had ear protection.  



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In Alabama, no age is to young as long as accompained by a licensed adult, my daughter started deer hunting with me at age 8.



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I got my first gun at 6 years old. [Hercules .410 double, side by side] My Dad gave it to me. I've still got it. It enabled me to help provide food for the family. I got my first BB gun at age 8 [Daisy Model 25 pump action]. I had to save up "my" money to buy it. A BB gun was not needed, the shot gun was.

Firearm safety/knowledge can only be taught, to kids, by parents or guardian, and it should start at a very early age. [my opinion].

Mule

BTW... was raised by Oklahoma folks who were raised on share crop farms. We lived in Arkansas when my Dad gave me my .410. We later went to Texas, and I am still there.



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