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 Posted: Tue Nov 29th, 2016 12:53 AM
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Anyone load/did load the 6mm/06 round? If so how do you like it?

I acquired a SS, 1:8 varmint barrel and installed it on a Savage action and so far it seems to love the Sierra 107gr HPBT MK over IMR4064 and the 105gr Burger HPBT VLD over H4831SC.

Still testing but wanted to hear others experience.
 



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I would go way slower powders, H1000, Retumbo, RL 25 or slower.



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I shot a 240 Super Varminter for several years,it was built on a pre war model 70 with a 26 inch barrel.It shot very good with some groups under 1/2inch.RobertMT is right, use slow powder.When I owned this rifle RL-25 had just came out and H-1000 didn't work well with this rifle.The powder I used was H-4831.This being an overbore cartridge, the barrel will heat up in a hurry.



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Seeing there is no published data for this round, all that I have read is to use the 6mm x 284 and the 240 Weatherby Magnum data since the case volume is practically the same.... of course load 10% less and work up.

Of the powders mentioned above, all the load data I have found in my Sierra book does not mention anything BUT the H4831SC and not having a Berger load book I had to inquire the info from someone that did. Also the previsions owner of the barrel gave me his "sweet" load he used for the Berger bullets.

I do not have the Retumbo, but I d have the H1000 and RL25. I'll have to see if I can locate load data for these powders.

Thanks RobertMT and drysonly for your input!

Here are a couple loads playing with the jump....




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the 240 weatherby has the same case head size and the case capacity is almost dead on identical to the 6-06 round.



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fla9-40 wrote:
Seeing there is no published data for this round, all that I have found in my Sierra book does not mention anything BUT the H4831SC

I've run across that from time to time.

Looking at thousands of loads with many many powders, it's my observation that slower powders and even slower powders can pull starting data from a powder that is slower, but not by a lot.

IMR7828 can use IMR 4831 numbers to work up, and I've done that a couple times.
I used RL-22 numbers to get loads with RL-25 up and running.

Those powders have overlapping charge ranges, and I've not had an issue with that approach.

Ball powders are not quite so cooperative, and I avoid that scenario.

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Berger manual shows H4831 SC start 45.0 gr max 48.6 gr
Also shows RE-22, Ramshot Hunter, Viht N560, IMR 7228 SSC and AA Magpro.

Those are under 6mm-284 load data.
Recommend getting the Berger manual. Lots of great information in addition to load data. It's not a lets get started in reloading manual.
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I would be using some of 240WBY's data with caution, because of WBY's long throat, you have to take jump into account.

Hodgdon has data for both 6-284 and 240wby, as you can see, there's a lot of difference in data, for similar capacity cartridges.

ETA: I would use 6-284's data and work up, instead of down from 25-06, but that's another, way to address this cartridge.

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DesertMarine wrote: Berger manual shows H4831 SC start 45.0 gr max 48.6 gr
Also shows RE-22, Ramshot Hunter, Viht N560, IMR 7228 SSC and AA Magpro.

Those are under 6mm-284 load data.
Recommend getting the Berger manual. Lots of great information in addition to load data. It's not a lets get started in reloading manual.
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Yep I need to add Berger's manual to my collection... I might just load other Berger bullets in the future! :thumbs:



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RobertMT wrote: I would be using some of 240WBY's data with caution, because of WBY's long throat, you have to take jump into account.

Hodgdon has data for both 6-284 and 240wby, as you can see, there's a lot of difference in data, for similar capacity cartridges.

ETA: I would use 6-284's data and work up, instead of down from 25-06, but that's another, way to address this cartridge.

Yes sir I agree... I have shied away from the wby and just been using the 6-284....



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Ditto: Slow powders do best. My 6mm-06 is an old time style "bull gun" with 1:12 twist. The advice then was to use 240 Weatherby data as a starter. At that time the bullet of choice for us with the 85 gr. Sierra FB. The chamber was cut to use 270 cases. Accuracy claims are not exaggerated.



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The 240 Super Varminter chamber was cut to use the 270 Win case.If my memory is correct it had a 12 twist barrel.



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I used 6.5-284 and 6.5-06 AI data to work up for my 6.5 Gibbs. Capacities are similar. I would think that 6-284 should be close enough to 6-06 data and might be a good starting point. Both should be right at 64 grains H2O cap +/-. RD

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Been loading the 6mm-06AI since the late 60's using Sierra 85 gr spritzers and 4831 powder with a 28 inch SS Sako bull bbl, mauser single shot bolt long action. Been using 06 GI Match brass and taking it down to 6mm. Also have a 25-06AI using the same brass back then. You don't mention the brass you are using ??? Only have a few pcs left over since those days and now switching over to commercial 25-06 brass which has more internal room and volume of powder giving me more velocity, still within the psi range. Have a longer throat on mine which reduced psi, but still produce the velocities without killing / burning out the bbl.ie: my 25-06 still has a good 350-400 fps over the Weatherby round. Still getting great accuracy and long ranges shots not as before the size of the fields are shrinking and land being sold off. Still get a 600 plus shot off at Mr. Chuck at times, these days.



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Mention of the 6mm/’06 caused me to remember a rifle I have in similar caliber I had built by Jarrett Rifles several years ago. Called the .243 Catbird, it is essentially the ’06 case (Actually .25/06 0r .270 brass) necked down to 6mm with blown out case and sharper shoulder, as shown in attached photo. The premise of the design was maximum velocity and accuracy by firing relatively lightweight benchrest grade bullets over 4000 fps. With 68 grain handmade benchrest bullets at over 4200fps the goal has been more than realized. The rifle is built on M-700 action with Krieger 1/14” barrel in McMillan stock plus several Kenny Jarrett accuracy tricks and refinements it’s a rather spectacular performer. Best loads have been with RL-22.

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A Bull Gun: There were, of course, no standards for the Gebby. This rifle was build maybe thirty plus ago. The reason we used the 244 twist was because we had no interest in heavier bullets. We used H4831@3800 fps with 85 gr. bullets. These notes were from 1985. Other than PO Ackley there was little in print for wildcatters. Our choice on specs came from the then current local users and the gunsmith who assembled the rifle. My rifle has a 30" Shelin stainless barrel and used a 40x actions with factory 2oz. trigger with no safety. We went afield and left the bolt handle up. Figured if that didn't prevent an accidental discharge nothing would. Thinking about getting the old rifle out to do some shooting. Don't time fly when you are having fun.



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Parker built my two AI and yes he loved the 4831 powders, then was using 06 Match brass was all over the place back then, now going to the commercial 25-06 brass. its working just not doing the same amount of shooting. Its fun to open them up and shot again..:thumbs:



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Got the new Sierra 110gr HPBT-MK bullets in and loaded up some for today's range trip.

Sierra recommends 1:7 twist or faster barrels so I did not know what mine would do @ 1:8...

I found a load for the 6mm-284 and 115gr Barnes SP bullet and decided to reduce this MIN-MAX by 10% (43.0 - 46.0 minus 10% = 38.7 - 41.4) Went with 40.0gr of H4831 set the bullets .015 off the lands and I'm real impressed with the results!

No pressure signs at all....

WARNING: This load works with my setup, but may not for yours! Use at your own risk!!

This is a 6rnd group @ 100yrds and I have NO idea on the flier! It felt good when I pulled the trigger but ended up with a flier!! :confused:


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Offfhand wrote: Mention of the 6mm/’06 caused me to remember a rifle I have in similar caliber I had built by Jarrett Rifles several years ago. Called the .243 Catbird, it is essentially the ’06 case (Actually .25/06 0r .270 brass) necked down to 6mm with blown out case and sharper shoulder, as shown in attached photo. The premise of the design was maximum velocity and accuracy by firing relatively lightweight benchrest grade bullets over 4000 fps. With 68 grain handmade benchrest bullets at over 4200fps the goal has been more than realized. The rifle is built on M-700 action with Krieger 1/14” barrel in McMillan stock plus several Kenny Jarrett accuracy tricks and refinements it’s a rather spectacular performer. Best loads have been with RL-22.
That sounds like a neat round.....May have to look into building one of them!:cool:



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You'll likely increase your barrel life, with that reduced load and since you've found accuracy, why not?

ETA:
Check you velocity numbers, you may be surprised, my load for straight 243 with coated 115gr DTAC, jammed .010", in 26" 1:8 barrel @ 3,000fps is same load.

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