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What Six Rifle Cartridges Will Last?
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 Posted: Mon Dec 26th, 2016 04:23 PM
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Since I have been passionate about shooing, beginning in the early 1950s, there has been a constant revolving door of "new and improved" cartridges being introduced, along with older cartridges dying out, in terms of being able to find and buy those calibers in factory ammo.

My younger cousin was given an old Savage 99 in 303 Savage chambering. This in the 1950s, when he began to go after deer. Even today, when calibers are discussed he swears by the 303 Savage, claiming it to be the best deer slayer ever produced!!

So, which six center fire rifle cartridges, now being sold most anywhere that ammo is sold, will survive the next 100 years? Further, which ones will die out, at least to the point of the 303 Savage cartridge?

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 Posted: Mon Dec 26th, 2016 04:51 PM
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Interesting question. I shoot a lot of "obsolete" cartridges, they come and go. What will always stay, in terms of rifle cartridges? My list, in no particular order.

1.30/06
2..308 Win
3..223 Rem
4..270 Win
5.7mm Rem Mag
6..30/30 Win

YMMV.



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 Posted: Mon Dec 26th, 2016 05:33 PM
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12ga slug
30-30 Win
30-06 Sping
308 Win
270 Win
243 Win


6.5 Creedmor
6.5 Grendel
308 Marlin Exp
338 Federal
307 Win
35 Rem

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30-06
.308W
.223Rem
8x57 JS
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30-30



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some of the old-timers are making a return trip 300 Savage,44-40, 38-55 , the western shooters are bringing them back sharps rounds also. Enjoy having them show up.:thumbs:



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Do you, or do you not agree that when comparing ballistics, up to and including the 175 gr. bullets, the 7mm bullets are superior to the 30 cal. bullets.

Further, given the fact that with today's vast variety of bullets available, that a lighter bullet can do today what it took a bullet 25% heavier to do only few years ago.

If you accept what I have stated thus far, than a 175 gr. 7mm bullet can do the job for which, only a short time ago, a 220 gr. bullet would have been the choice.

Since the 7mm bullet has become the darling of many hand loaders and used extensively, with much success, will the folks who write the firearms articles each month not push more to sell the cartridges using the 7mm bullet?

While the 7mm-08 has enjoyed wide popularity on game up to and including mule deer, does the 280Rem. not provide a wider choice for use on elk or other heavier game, especially at longer ranges?

I have long wondered that since the 280Rem. rides right on the heals of the 7mmRemMag, why has it not gained a wider following? Certainly today, one has to go to a dedicated ammo seller to find factory ammo in 280Rem.

For hand loaders, it is a another story and IMO the 280Rem. may be the best kept secret among all popular center fire cartridges now commonly offered to the shooting public.

Why I prefer the 280Rem. over the 7mmRemMag: cost of components. Ease of loading without the band on the Mag. Very little given up in usable top MV.

Will the 280Rem. be rediscovered by the general public, one week a year deer hunters, or will it be one of the ones to go the way of the 303Savage??

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 Posted: Mon Dec 26th, 2016 08:25 PM
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the 280 will die off.
the 280 Ackley fiasco got jacked all up so bad by Remington it offered nothing over the factory round,and it killed the 280 too.
the 7 WSM round will be completely gone shortly.
the 7 mauser gets no support from anyone,
but refuses to die.
the 260 rem, was another one rem jacked up then tried to fix then the creedmore come along.
it won't be long for the 260.
the 7 saum.
another great round that Remington come along with and supported for 2 months then dropped like a rock.
the 30 RAR.
done.
338-308 marlin.
doing maybe okay..... until Remington bought them.
they're toast.

you might wanna let your cousin know the 303 is just the 30-30 shooting an oversized 311 bullet down a 308 barrel.

what will stay?
30-06
270
308
223
243
the 300 B.O. will probably hang on.
it seems to be hitting at the right time this time and has a lot of secondary support beyond the rem/win influence.

I'm sure the 7& 300 belted mags will be fine too. [and probably the 300 WSM]



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So many down the tube cartridges released in the last 20 years it is impossible to list, not enough space, but put 338 MX (and its brothers) and all WSM at the top of the list.

Sure keepers:
308
243
7x58
8x57
338
300 win mag (just to keep on 30 cal on my list).



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My crystal ball says that 308 will take over all the 30-06 eventually. 30-06 has not outlived it's usefulness, but the real reason it's still alive and well is strictly related to quantity available and dieharders that swear by it.

That leaves:
270
308
338
223
243 (tho in reduced numbers)
and the venerable thuty-thuty



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you might wanna let your cousin know the 303 is just the 30-30 shooting an oversized 311 bullet down a 308 barrel.


Nope. .303 Savage is a true 30 caliber, a .308 bullet. Why name it the ".303" Savage? I doubt anybody can tell you why at this point. Might have been measuring the groove diameter, might have wanted to differentiate from the .30 WCF.



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Cartridge popularity comes and goes. The 6.5x55 (one of my favorites) was almost dead in the US, not made by any major US manufacturer, until the flood of imported military guns came back during the GHW Bush administration. Suddenly came back to life. 7.62x54R? When the imports came in, the cartridge came back to life, and US manufacture began again. Look at how many repros for rifles firing dead cartridges are back in style? 45/70 never died, but all the relatives came back to life...from .38/55 to 50-110, and more.

You aren't going to be able to buy them at Walmart, of course, but they will stay available.



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Stay:
30-06
.308
.223
.270
7mm mag
7.62x39


Gone
300 Blackout
.257 Roberts
anything using RUM as a suffix
anything using WSM as a suffix
7mm-08
.26O Rem.

The 280 did poorly because:

1. It had to compete with the long established .270 Winchester which was around for 32 years before Remington introduced the .280

2. Remington played fast and loose with the name. Introduced in 1957 as the .280 they changed the name to the 7mm Express in 1979 an effort to build sales. Americans were not keen on anything with a mm designation in that era, There was confusion among the masses between it and the Remington 7mm Magnum. And, the .280 owners couldn't find ammo for ther .280s. They changed the name back to .280 in 1981.

Totally a marketing disaster outdone only by introducing the .350 Remington Magnum in 1965 in a butt ugly, short barreled rifle that did not take advantage of the chambering. The gun was basically a performance clone of the .35 Whelen. This stroke of genius was followed by the introduction of the 6.5 Remington magnum in 1966. Same butt ugly rifle with the same short barrel, AND, the same Metric designation that killed the 7mm express.

I've often wondered if Remington's head of development in that era was'nt an illegitimate brother of Edsel Ford.



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Rockydog, don't overlook the 244/ 6mm Rem fiasco. Remington may not be the only one to pull such a series of boners, but they may well head the list.



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Too bad, a wonderful round like the .222Rem. is doomed to disappear...



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You don't see or hear about the .35 Remington around here anymore.
There were actually quite a few using them here until maybe 10 years ago.



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I'm of the opinion 300 blackout is here to stay. And the reason I say this is due to the light recoil and good ballistics in 125 gr, or 150 grain bullet to 200 yards. Makes a heck of a kids rifle, and smaller framed women, or people with heart conditions that can't take the recoil of a larger round.

Here's my list.

Ar platform. 5.56,223, and 300 blk small frame. Large frame 7.62x51,308, and maybe the 6.5 creedmoore.

Long gun,
1. 30-06 been around to long and still going strong.
2.308 Win
3. 7mm rem mag
4.30-30win
5. 45-70
6. 243 win.
7. It will hang around even though I've never cared for it 270 win. But it doesn't make my list.

The list is also what is popular use calibers in my neck of the world.

U.S. Market, I'd say

1. 30-06
2. 270
3. 7mm rem mag
4. 300 Winchester mag
5. 223 rem.
6. 308 Winchester.

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30:06 and 30:30 will live until something replaces brass/steel/aluminum case, smokeless powder system.

2 of my favorites, The 250 Savage is all but dead, the 280 Remington is just hanging on.



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What cartridges will be around the longest ??

Look at it this way --What firearms are being produced and have been produced that are in the greatest number!

Example-The 30.06 will be around for the next several HUNDRED Years Or as long as we are allowed to own firearms ,,Why Millions and Millions of aught six rifles have been made and I do expect many of them will still be with us in 200 plus years Judging By the number of 100 year old guns still around we cherish ! I can see ammo still being produced for popular firearms in 300 years ,, because we will still have these antiques we will want to shoot By our great great grandsons.

What will die out ? Guns that were sold in few numbers and will become cult collectables..



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the 303 is called the 303 because of the bullet diameter.
Savage knew speed sold and if he couldn't outrun the 30-30 he was not gonna sell his rifles.
using the 311 bullet gave him that slight velocity edge [more pressure] and was just enough different for the round to be different in some peoples mind.
they are now, more than likely, made with 308 bullets but originally they used the larger diameter to bump pressures just enough to out pace the 30-30.
they also went with the odd 190gr weight to show it was a 'different' round.



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Charley wrote: Interesting question. I shoot a lot of "obsolete" cartridges, they come and go. What will always stay, in terms of rifle cartridges? My list, in no particular order.

1.30/06
2..308 Win
3..223 Rem
4..270 Win
5.7mm Rem Mag
6..30/30 Win

YMMV.

I second these. Tried and true that just keep going.

I do believe there are better cartridges out there but these are some of the all time favorites that don't seem to be slowing down. Always plenty of 30-30 and 06 brass to be had at the local deer sight in clinics for Many Many years now, any military cartridge will hold on and I see plenty of 270s at the sight ins along with the 7mm Rem. mag. The 260 will hold its own for a while, it started out as the 263 express in the early sixties, then as the 6.5-08 then as the 260 Rem. Brass is easily formed from the 308/7.62x51 and it has had a devoted cult following since its birth. I don't see it ever keeping up with any of the above but I do find it to have better performance than many of the above.



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