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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 11:49 PM
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Looking to buy a .300 blackout rifle. Obvious option is to load my own ammo after gaining some brass. Not real sure about this round. Does this fire a .308 bullet ?  I know I bailed and went asking when I am sure the info is available with research. Taking the easy road for a change.
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yes it fires a .308" diameter bullet.
buddy likes the 155 A max in his.
His is not really accurate but recoil is minimal and the punch it has at short range is nice,, as is the rapid fire.

I do not think I need one as the .223 I think will kill just as well especially taking into consideration the distance.

but there are restrictions on the .22 caliber diameter ammo used for hunting.. not so much on the 30 cal.



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Thank you for the quick response. I do not own a .223. It has been an inner turmoil deciding which to go with. It will be used mostly as a 'yote gun and target.



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Work up some loads and practice at the range(distance) you plan on shooting the critters.. I am kind of curious how accurate someone can make the 300 ,, keep us posted on the progress.



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Small problem arose. The firearm I was planning to purchase became unavailable. The guy got a better offer. Looks like I am back to the drawing board. Still toying with the idea of building an AR10



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I hear ya.
I have been wanting an AR. was thinking .308 or creedmore.
Then I got a couple different savage Axis bolt action .223 rifles..never really wanting the crappy .223 the price was just too good.

I have seen many with the .223 at a few different ranges and the accuracy was terrible in my book .
So I never wanted one.

I will say this.. that 223 is the most accurate gun I own.
It will shoot under 1" at 300 yards. My almost best was 500 yards.

First 2 shots were .780" apart then the third opened it to 5"
55gr v max 1:9 twist.

But bucking wind the heavier stuff rules for long distances.
So many decisions when it comes to a purchase.



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We have a 700BDL Remington in .223 with a heavy barrel. Too much to carry around all day and that being said. I carried the M60 when I was on active duty. Getting old my friend. Have a good deal on the table for a Ruger AR556. I am thinking that would be my best route. We have brass and bullets to load .556 along with dies, etc. No retooling necessary. I think this will be my decision, but gonna sleep on it another night.



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For "yotes" and paper the 223 is plenty.
The 300blackout is a great choice for bigger stuff at close ranges, but if I were going after yotes at longer ranges I would likely be happier with the 223.

I will openly admit to not liking the 223 Generally speaking but it is "acceptable" for many uses, smaller game and targets being a few of them. Cheap to shoot, readily available ammo, brass and components do make a big plus too.

300Blackout can be made from 222,223 brass which is a big plus. But more work.
The Lyman and Nosler have accuracy loads I have used seem to work very well for this cartridge.
The biggest downside to the 300 is trajectory but I do like it way more than the 223, especially in the quiet category. Gotta know your trajectory better as there is less room for vertical error.

IMO for your current purpose get the 223 now and a 300 upper later. The right number to have is "one more" anyways.
Plus you will be better equipped to decide which one is Your favorite! :) :) :)



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just rebarrel the 223 to 300 B.O.
get a 7 twist and get it threaded at the muzzle.

the 300 can be a very accurate rifle if you use the AAC specifications for the throat and chamber.
you should actually be able to buy a barrel for the Remington from AAC.
I shoot a model 7 with the AAC set-up it's stupid light and stupid accurate.
the light weight was initially a hindrance to accuracy.
then I got the trigger pull under control, and added some weight to the stock.
now it's golf ball accurate at 100 yds, and rabbits and yotes are gimme's to 200+ yds with 110gr. Nosler Varmageddons or Hornady V-max's.



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300 Black out is one of my favorites. Just about any 30 cal bullet can be made to shoot out of them.
For me though I have settled upon .310- .311 bullets used in 7.62x39 loads.
Mainly for cost reasons since I also shoot allot of 7.62x39 stuff and finding great deals on the bullets has been easier.

My 3 main bullets are the LEE 150 gr cast bullet. 125gr .310 fmj bulk bullets, and 125gr .310 Hornady sp bullets.
Ether ahead of H110, Lil Gun, or RL-7.








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Pause, do you size those .310-.311 bullets down to .308?



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That was the wildcat-300 Whisper,sub-sonic mine in a custom , back in the 80's maybe , been a while now ! used 223 brass and the forming - re-sizing dies thanks RCBS, then.



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I've had 300BLK for years, just recently got 7.62x39 upper, for other than subsonic, 7.62x39 is better choice. Either is under MOA, in AR, but 7.62x39 has more gas.

I still like 300BLK with these sledgehammer's for up close.

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Check out PalmettoStateArmory.com. They have good deals on uppers and lowers, with all the internals to build what you want, at good deals if you watch the flyers they send out closely. That's how I got my hands on the lower and BCG for the 300blkout I assembled.



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Snuffy wrote: Pause, do you size those .310-.311 bullets down to .308?
Yes I do, I run them through a LEE .308 push through die.
But there are plenty of guys who shoot them as is. Just need to be aware that the pressure will be higher because your sizing them as you shoot them. Take that into account as you work up a load.
I have the tools so I just size them.

Very happy with these because if you keep an eye out. These bullets can be purchased much cheaper.
The FMJ pulls I got for $39 for 500 and the Hornady SP's come up at Midway every now and then on clearance in the blue boxes.



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RobertMT wrote: I've had 300BLK for years, just recently got 7.62x39 upper, for other than subsonic, 7.62x39 is better choice. Either is under MOA, in AR, but 7.62x39 has more gas.

I still like 300BLK with these sledgehammer's for up close.

I was also very impressed with my 7.62x39 AR. Its not the same round as shot through a AK or a SKS.
The 300 black Out still has much broader bullet choices though because of the huge chamber.
But like them both allot.  



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Again, I want to thank all that have responded. When the .300 became unavailable. I went ahead and purchased an AR in .223/.556 that I had my eye on. I already have the tooling for this round and enjoy some very accurate rounds with the loads we shoot.



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That sounds very practical. There will be more opportunities to add other calibers, as you go along.

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A pause for the COZ wrote:
Snuffy wrote: Pause, do you size those .310-.311 bullets down to .308?
Yes I do, I run them through a LEE .308 push through die.
But there are plenty of guys who shoot them as is. Just need to be aware that the pressure will be higher because your sizing them as you shoot them. Take that into account as you work up a load.
I have the tools so I just size them.

Very happy with these because if you keep an eye out. These bullets can be purchased much cheaper.
The FMJ pulls I got for $39 for 500 and the Hornady SP's come up at Midway every now and then on clearance in the blue boxes.


If you are stuffing a bullet 2-3 thousandths over .308" you also need to take into account the neck thickness. I make my 300 BLK brass from LC 09 since it is what I have the most of right now. I tried commercial 223 with no great results. They always end up being too fat when loaded with a 308 diameter projectile.

That said, I shoot the 245 and 215(?) MBC Bayou Bullet coated, and my hunting bullet is a 125 Nosler BT at 2150 from a 10" SBR or 2250 from a 16" bolt action. The 125 Hrnady SST shoots exceptionally well also. Lil'Gun at max charge level from book has always been the most accurate loads in my testing (which is weird since it's the same thing for the 44 mag). I know this is a late respose, but the 300 BLK is a super cool round good on medium game out to 150 yards easy with supersonic loads and a premium bullet.

Good luck with your journey down the dark (blackout) side of the road. And don't let the naysayers discourage you. It is an extremely capable round, and accurate as well given it's lineage of 308 Win and 223 Rem.



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