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 Posted: Fri Mar 3rd, 2017 08:01 PM
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Anyone recommend or like using CFE223?

I reload 223 rem bullets and was looking for another powder and had this one recommended to me at BassPro shop. Couldn't find much data on it in my manuals or on the Hodgdon site.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 3rd, 2017 09:41 PM
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Don't know where you are looking, but Hodgdon site has load data for 17 different bullets from 40gr to 90gr in 223REM.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

I use it in 223REM and a couple other calibers.



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Do you need more than one charge table per bullet weight or something? Hodgdon has data for CFE223 for virtually every bullet weight from 40 gr. through 90 gr..

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CFE223 was introduced in about 2012. There are articles about it in the 2012 Hodgdon annual manual along with data.

Also, if you can find a copy of the 2013 Hodgdon Annual Manual there are 3 different articles related to your question.

A 5 page article on "How CFE Works".

A 5 page article on "The .223 Remington".

And a 5 page article on "Reloading with CFE223 Powder".

Sometimes you can find these on Amazon. However right now there is a listing for the 2013 Manual with a 2016 Manual photo. I suspect that it is actually the 2016 manual that is available.



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It shoots great in both my bolt and Ar rifles

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HighBC wrote:
Do you need more than one charge table per bullet weight or something? Hodgdon has data for CFE223 for virtually every bullet weight from 40 gr. through 90 gr..

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I like to see different bullets. It is my understanding that just because Hodgdon site shows 55gr bullets, that data does not apply to ALL 55 gr bullets. 55 gr V-max is not the same as a 55gr HP or 55 gr SP.... correct?

COAL the same?

That's why I like to see load data for the exact bullet and powder I am trying to use. Not real confident in venturing off on my own load data.



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olyeller wrote:
Don't know where you are looking, but Hodgdon site has load data for 17 different bullets from 40gr to 90gr in 223REM.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

I use it in 223REM and a couple other calibers.


I like to see different bullets. It is my understanding that just because Hodgdon site shows 55gr bullets, that data does not apply to ALL 55 gr bullets. 55 gr V-max is not the same as a 55gr HP or 55 gr SP.... correct?

COAL the same?



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Equally important to bullet type, is firearm load is designed for, this can also effect OAL chosen. Simple answer, bullet does matter, bullet type matters more IE: solid VS cup and core VS lead free (compressed copper powder) Hodgdon for example lists both solid type (Barnes) and cup and core(Speer SP)and depending on powder choice, your instinct is correct, about different bullet types.

If you post your bullet choice, which firearm you're loading for and your desired purpose, someone will have data for you.



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sirtallstuff said:
I like to see different bullets. It is my understanding that just because Hodgdon site shows 55gr bullets, that data does not apply to ALL 55 gr bullets. 55 gr V-max is not the same as a 55gr HP or 55 gr SP.... correct?

COAL the same?


Not really correct; the bullets you are looking at are cup and core bullets, ie same construction. Load data will be virtually identical.

Some loading manuals only distinguish between lead and jacketed bullets.:rolleyes:

OAL will be determined by your gun, and published OAL is really irrelevant most of the time.



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I just tested my first batch of .223Rem with CFE and was really impressed. I started out .5gr below Hodgdon's recommendation and increased by that amount up to 24.5gr
I compared that to H4895 and Varget and at 100m, the CFE loads at 23.5 gave the best results by .25in. They didn't seem to be affected as much by the wind.



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sirtallstuff wrote:
HighBC wrote:
Do you need more than one charge table per bullet weight or something? Hodgdon has data for CFE223 for virtually every bullet weight from 40 gr. through 90 gr..

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I like to see different bullets. It is my understanding that just because Hodgdon site shows 55gr bullets, that data does not apply to ALL 55 gr bullets. 55 gr V-max is not the same as a 55gr HP or 55 gr SP.... correct?

COAL the same?

That's why I like to see load data for the exact bullet and powder I am trying to use. Not real confident in venturing off on my own load data.


Per bullet construction, bullet weight is the most important thing.

That means that YES, data for one cup-and-lead-core bullet will pretty much count for pretty much anyone's cup-and-lead-core bullet of the same weight and diameter, at the same OAL.

Check through a half dozen non-powder-maker sources (independents like Lee, Lyman, etc or bullet-maker sources like Sierra, Speer, Nosler, Hornady, etc) The major differences in load data charge weight will be relative to differing OAL's used, not the name brand of the bullet. Those bullets are all the same weight, pretty much the same size and shape (very small differences that matter little to nothing), same density (because they are made the same way from the same materials (the exact alloy differences are of no matter, differences are far too small))
A 55gr lead-core copper jacketed v-max is the same as a 55gr lead-core copper jacketed soft point or a 55gr lead core copper jacketed Hollow Point or a 55gr lead core copper jacketed Open Tip Match or a 55gr lead core copper jacketed Full Metal Jacket, all being .224" diameter.

Again, PER BULLET CONSTRUCTION, that means that non-lead bullets such as Barnes, Bergers, and anyone else's need different data from cup/core bullets.
A 60gr Barnes .223" bullet is NOT the same length as a 60gr lead-core jacketed bullet from anyone else, not even CLOSE. They are far longer, which means for the same OAL they sit far deeper into the case, reducing case volume for powder and gasses, increasing pressure. They also have more surface area on the barrel, increasing drag.

These are the things you learn if you have, and check and compare, multiple sources of load data.



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and, FWIW, the couple of Hornady manuals I have list under 223REM all of the 55gr bullets together in one heading for one set of data except for the 55gr GMAX, which is a different construction.

Hornady uses that protocol universally throughout their manuals.

So sit back, take a deep breath, and relax; even though this really is Rocket Science, it ain't that complicated.:lol:

ETA: Nosler does the same thing in their manuals, even listing the Partition equally with AB, BT, and CT bullets.

Last edited on Wed Mar 8th, 2017 11:32 AM by olyeller



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I have reloaded some rounds with it and it has worked out really well for me too. I like it. The Hogdon Annual Reloading magazine has the CFE-223 reloading data. Also the Lyman AR Reloading book as CFE-223 loading data in it too.



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My new Hornady 10th edition manual hav a bunch o floads for thr 223 ouseing CF223



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