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 Posted: Thu Mar 16th, 2017 01:39 AM
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Hey guys, I'm thinking of buying an old Carcano rifle, chambered in 6.5x52mm. I reload pistol rounds, but haven't done rifle rounds yet. I'm sure I can learn, no issue there.

Is there any thoughts or advice about reloading this caliber? Does anyone have any experience with it? I've looked around very briefly online and it looks like components are available as well as factory ammunition.

On the same subject, the owner says "the bore is dark but has strong rifling"...... Is that common on 70+ year old military rifles? I read somewhere that's probably caused by corrosive ammunition?



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You might want to be aware of the fact that these old Carcanos are normally .267 in Diameter rather than the more common .264 Diameter of virtually all other 6.5 mm designated rounds.

Not saying you can't shoot .264 bullets in them but the accuracy may suffer. Hornady makes a .267 160 grain Round Nose bullet specifically for the Carcano.

http://www.hornady.com/store/.267-6.5-Carcano

These rifles don't get a lot of respect. They aren't a Mauser, Springfield, or even a Mosin of the same era but they were accurate enough to kill more than a few Americans in Italy in WWII and John Kennedy in Dallas. RD

PS Thread from another site, https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=72433



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Thanks for the information RD! I had read that before, about the .264 vs .267 bullets, but had forgotten about it until you mentioned it again.

$60 for 100 bullets seems kinda steep....but I guess if you're the only person who makes them.....



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chief915 wrote:
Thanks for the information RD! I had read that before, about the .264 vs .267 bullets, but had forgotten about it until you mentioned it again.

$60 for 100 bullets seems kinda steep....but I guess if you're the only person who makes them.....


On the contrary chief915. You too, can make your very own. Add about .002 to the diameter with a bit of red Harbor Freight Powder Coat and the cost gets very affordable.

.265" 150 Grn SPGC Lyman 2-Cav. Mould #266673 :bulletcaster:

Attachment: lym2660673.jpg (Downloaded 34 times)



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Hmm, I've never done any casting.... but it's beginning to look like it's time to start learning the skill.


I've been interested in the Kennedy Assassination since I was little and first learned about it in school. I guess that's part of why I want the rifle.



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I have an M91 Carcano cavalry carbine. Bore is very dark but strong rifling and it slugged .268 so I size at.270. I will say at this point it shoots decent because I have only tried one boolit so far and that's the Lee 170 gr specialty mold for the 6.5X55 Swede. Best group at 50 yds is a little over an inch. I think I can do better with a lighter boolit. Not difficult at all to load but I will suggest you go with a Hornady or RCBS shell holder because the one Lee provides fits so poor it will rip a rim off. Lee uses the same shell holder as with .308 and 30-06 which has a bigger case head than the 6.5X52.



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I hear you on Kennedy. I was 9 years old at the time. Going to a small town grade school. There were about 90 kids total grades 1-6. We all sat on the floor around an old tabletop radio and listened to the live broadcasts from Dallas as we waited for the school buses to come early to take us home. The teachers were very solemn and some of the kids were crying, probably based upon the teachers reactions as much as what was on the radio. Kind of a 911 type reaction as we waited to see who was responsible etc. RD



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Hope the rifle comes with some clips. With von Mannlicher's rifle, no clips, you have a single shot or a club.



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The seller says he doesn't have clips.... but I did find some online for a reasonable price.



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The seller sent some pictures.













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Oddly enough, just browsing a newsstand today, saw an article in "Guns" magazine by Mike Venturino on a Mannlicher M941 in 6.5x52. Talked of the .264 vs. .268 bullet size, said he couldn't hit squat with ammo loaded with .264, including some commercial stuff. Then he showed some picture of 3 inch 100 yard groups with .268 bullets. 3 inches might not sound like much, but not bad for a straight military rifle, worn bore, and iron sights.



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Charlie, You know more about these service rifles than most folks on here. How much of the substandard accuracy on some of these guns is from muzzle damage? Can you get by with just a recrown or do some of these need a couple of inches of counterbore to remove cleaning rod damage? Have any examination tips? RD



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I just use an Eyeball MkI, and look at the crown. I've recrowned only one milsurp since I started collecting/shooting them.



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Well guys, I went ahead and "pulled the trigger" on buying the rifle. Since this is the "reloading for rifles" area, I started another thread in the "Battle Rifles" area.

I ordered three boxes of 6.5x52 from Graef and Sons.... That should give me an idea of what factory ammo for one of these feels like and will also give me 60 rounds of brass to work with on reloading. I also got a free ammo can out of the order, a special they had going last night.



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