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CPR anyone????
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 Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 03:37 AM
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 Was reading some information on CPR and it was suggested that you are more likely to do CPR on a loved one than a stranger.  It seems likely since we only encounter people, wheather strangers or acquancies once in a great while. Our close friends and family we see alot more.  

   Now to turn this to the outdoors side of the note (ya knew it was coming didn't ya?).   It's a known fact that most of the hunters that have heart attacks are overweight, haven't done anything before hunting season, hunt alone or with a small group and lastly almost all are fatal.

  So given the fact that summer is coming up which is when we should start trying to get into shape for the hunting season thats right around the corner. I am going to suggest one other thing that we put in our hunting bag.  Go get a CPR course;  Most YMCA's do an annual one or contact the heart association to find out where the nearest course is to you.

   It doesn't add weight to the hunting bag and just think you could literally save the most important aspect of your hunt. Your hunting partner.

    Take care Be safe Poacher.



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 Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 03:52 AM
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Most CPR classes are free, go to your local hospital or fire dept they should give you a date for one.

Everyone in my family knows how to do it and have cards, thank God we haven’t had to use it, I read where someone from Survival Monkey  loss a friend in a parking lot of a hospital.

Do a good thing a get one thanks for the reminder Poacher.



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OR you could join the Military and get PAID to recertify once a year:troll:

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Never taken a course or been certified, but have given CPR.

Was doing a real estate inspection on an apartment complex about 20 years ago. mailtenance man would open the unit, and I would do a walk thru. he would sit on a couch or chair and wait for me. After about the 15th unit, I camne out of the bedroom/bathroom, and the maintenance guy was sitting on the couch, unresponsive. Oh Shit!

Went to the door, called another maintenance guy over, told him to contact local EMS. I'm back at the unresponsice guy...no respiration, and no pulse. Shit! It's getting more intense. I pull him onto the floor, and ask the guy who came in if he's ever given CPR. he says "No." I said, "I haven't either, but we are fixing to." I tilted his head back and cleared his airway. I told the other maintenance guy, "he's your buddy, you breathe for him." He handled the breathing, and I did chest compressions. After about the third or fourth cycle, he started breathing again on his own. EMTs showed up, stabilized him, and transported him to a hospital. I finished my inspection and left.

Not something you want to make a habit of.



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Charley you are in a distinct minority.

  Most people that have heart attacks as the one you described do not come back. It's an acute heart attack and on a scale of 1 (best) to 10 (worst)  your first save was on a 10.

  I was on a team that did CPR on a elderly lady that just dropped according to her roommate.  We shocked her 5 times and performed CPR all the way to the Ambulance. they transported her and called it at the E.R.   

   Folks this is a issue that just needs repeating. Get your CPR course.  Even if you don't ever use it they go over the symptoms and signs of a cardiac that is occuring or leading up to.  You may never use it but if you recognize the signs you can call 911 and get the ambulance rolling.  

  A neighbor across the road from me was over one day and while we were talking he mentioned that he felt dizzy and his arm was numb. I had him sit down and then he started sweating and loosing color.  I called 911 and they transported him.   He ended up with a quad bybass but he be alive and kicking.  

  Once again Charley congrats. that was a helluva save.

  Take care Be safe Poacher.



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I think this topic should be brought to the fore again, dragged it up from the basement :thumbs:

If the life you save is a strangers, it doesnt really matter as they are still somebodies: Son,Daughter,Husband,Father,Sister or Mother.

If that that you save is a member of your family, that free course is littorally PRICELESS.

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Luckily, I've never had to use CPR, but years ago I did take a class and become certified. Not sure how long a time that the certification last, but I can honestly say that it's been long enough that I feel that I should take the class again. Thanks for the reminder.



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If you have not taken a CPR class in the last year you have missed all the updates and those updates are extreemly significant. It's not 5 or 10 compressions to to a couple of breaths anymore. If ya don't know how to use an AED (and most shooting ranges have one) it's time to learn.

 



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Number 2 son is a level one EMT now, he's told me almost everything I did back then is now considered the wrong thing to do. Well, it did seem to work at the time...

 



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CPR is a good thing to know.....many work environments have mandatory CPR Training for their employees....annually....mine did.  WE also had those little heart thumpers scattered around the buildings and with the outside work crews.  The units wouldn't let you make a mistake with it.

BUT CPR has changed over the past 35 yrs or so I have been involved.  I was an EMT for 12-14 yrs or so on a volunteer Ambulance unit in a small town (early '70's to mid '80's).  We started with 400 hrs of training by state certified trainers, then state and federal testing to get EMT-Basic status.  Annual training requirements to be met also. 

The training dummies were pretty realistic at one point, where the trainer could control the "patients" breathing and blood "flow" as the trainee worked on "it"....some had a device inside that monitored compression depth and breath force & frquency of both compressions and breaths and printed out a tape/graph to show how you did....now they (training dummy) have evolved down to almost nothing but a rubber chest area to push on and a head/mouth to clear and blow into.  Numbers of each, breaths and compression not as important any more "they" tell us....just do something....

Basically, "they" are now saying you can't hardly do any harm in attempting CPR on someone who is having a heart attack...if you do NOTHING they mostly can die....if you do something and it is wrong they mostly will die....break even so far...if you do something right they may live...ya'll WIN then.

Gotta go now an get some exercise B4 the spring turkey hunt and fall hunts.:wink:




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By all means the CPR ratio's have changed, for better I think, as there is no change in 1 or 2 operators.
dont worry too much if you dont remember the new ratios, as more than likely in the stress of the moment, you will revert back to what you know best.

However that being said, I have to requalify every 6 months in the new ratios.

So what the heck..... go do a course gentlemen. Your grandkids may appreciate it around the swimming pool.

Last year 35 kids under 5 years old, died in Australia due to backyard swimming pool accidents, I wonder how many would be alive today if their parents knew CPR?

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Spent many hours on ambulances as an EMT. Worked with our VFD and rescue unit for @24 yrs and have given CPR numerous times. Best tool ever invented for CPR is a pocket mask. It has a "non return" valve that keeps any liquids from coming back. It's soft outside easily contours over mouth and nose--and it is cheap. Toss a few around where you may use them or actually keep one in your vest or pocket if you are an emergency worker. Do not do this but some folks aquire a small bottle of nitro pills. They really work to help heart victims. I keep a bottle in the truck/car/and home---for my own use as it would be illegal for me to give to someone. I saw a person "find" a victim's bottle of nitro lying on the floor beside them and suggested a family member try using them. It is no longer available "across the counter" but if you know any heart patients they can get you some very reasonably.



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-6, I assume you are refererring to GTN - Glycerol Trinitrate? Available as either a ***mcgm Sublingual Tablet or Spray?

Definetly agree with you about the Pocket mask, "Laerdal" make a very good one that we use if required at work.

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So as not to get the ATFE excited I did not type  NITR- Glicerin- tablets. Let's hope we never need them.



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If anyone does have Nitro just remember that after a short while they seriously lose their potency. I was taking 2 to 4 a day prior to surgery. If I kept them in my pocket (and I did all day long) they were half strength after a month.



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I hope its ok that I bring this subject up again. As a paramedic I have done CPR more time than I care to count. Youngest being 6 days old to the elderly and everywhere in between. One thing about the training dummies and learning in class. The first time you actually have to do it, it is nothing like in class.

Amercian Heart is actually focusing more on compression vs. breathing. It used to be Airway, Breathing, Circulation (ABC) to CIrculation, Airway, Breathing (CAB). I am an advanced level provider (my employer is Mayo Clinic) so we are using medications and IV access aswell (as are all Advanced Level Ambulances). We start compressions, establish IV and give medications before we even get to the airway. IF we have first responders with us (Police or FIre) then we will have them start with ventilations but it may be 4-5 minuets before we intubate and secure the airway. I strongly encourage eveyone to get CPR ceritfied. Espically now with AED's available almost anywhere. If I remember correctly it 1 in 10 chance of surviving an unwitnessed prehospital cardiac arrest.



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