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 Posted: Sat Jan 14th, 2012 08:33 PM
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Bear, you mind if I asked what your plan would have been if things "Went South" ?



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 Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2012 10:05 PM
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I live in those "hills" so I won't be going anywhere. Nigh 40 miles to the nearest tiny little town. You guys are welcome to come HERE. Plenty beef, plenty buffalo. :wink:



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Youse guys mostly gots it covered pretty dang good and from many angles...

...neighbors said they's got cows and a crick, they will survive....I told 'em only if they keeps their rifles loaded and ready cuz those that ain't got no cows will surely come to take theirs.....

I'd guess if it got so bad......... then lead & brass in the form of boolets loaded in a brass case will be more valuable than gold:wink:

A good quality air rifle in .22 caliber + 1k pellets would make a good survival gun....more for food gathering then defense.  Pump up type vs CO2.

A good flintlock smooth bore long gun of around .69 cal would be very handy also along with some ball & shot.  A few extra flints and couple pounds of powder.

 A few good knives and ax & hatchet along with a good flint & steel for fire.  Maybe I'll just pack my rendezvous gear!

The list certainly could be endless & variable and bugging out vs hunkering down makes a big difference. 

Nearly too much to comprehend.:sad:......been fun!




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 Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2012 01:54 AM
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National Geographic has a new series, starts in Feb,  Called Bugging Out or something like that.  The preview was about what you might think.  If I get a chance, I'll watch and report back. 



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no expertise here on the subject for sure but common sense will guide a lot of us and some life experiences.....so I ramble on....

I'd think maybe to add archery equipment .....something simple like a long bow and arrows...if you can use it, good for game or quiet defense.....even a slingshot with lots of "ball" ammo ie ball bearings or lead round ball would work.  But you gotta know how to use these two items pretty well for them to be effective. 

If stationary you can have lots of "stuff" if a bug out situation then different, gotta pack efficiently and no heavier then you can transport....by whatever means you are using.  I live in rural area vs metro & have cabin to go to if necessary off the beaten path.  That requires a good ax & hand powered saw to make firewood if chainsaw runs out of fuel or breaks down.  kerosene for lanterns & candles. where does the list stop?

Meds was brought up....for an aging society that would be a very big issue....some require meds to stay alive others to function better....tuff call there as to how many months supply you can get or even afford.  OTC drugs should be considered too. 

A fuel stabilizer is a necessity for gasoline nowdays.....not a real mobile item as far as quantity goes. 

'nff rambling for tonite.



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These are fun little drills. Exercises in "What If" really, valuable in their own small way. If SRB (Something Really Bad) happens, it will present us with such a level of disruption that, as in the Fog of War, plans and schemes may become forgotten, irrelevant, or inadequate. We will do the best we can with what we have. I'd like to think that outdoorsmen would be among the most survivable no matter how well-equipped they were.

I wonder if there were any "survivalists" in Rome when the Visigoths overran it.



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dirtkicker said..."I'd like to think that outdoorsmen would be among the most survivable no matter how well-equipped they were."

a kinda detour from post here....that statement of dirtkicker's, I think is a real truism based on this story....my son grew up in rural area in N WI, spent time in woods hunting etc vs HS athletics (senior FB only)...went on to college & joined ROTC & NG (same time).went to basic training at Ft Benning.....did well in basic & AIT....city kids in general (not all) were very uncomfortable in the dark during land nav exercises in the GA swamps....no basic knowledge of how to find their way without street signs, pavement & streetlights.....what's a compass, a map without steets & roads what good is that??  topo maps what the hell is topo...any way the backwoodsy kid from N WI did pretty good compared to lots of "sophisticated" urban citizens.  Brought them back from the dark swamps of GA....even injected some trig to get to points...some city kids could get that part.  Being somewhat gun knowledgeable was big plus too.

I'd like to think the times my son was in the woods for deer or small game or shooting ....he was learning how to be an outdoorsman....not a great BB player or hoops player, fair FB player....good Outdoorsman in my book to get back to the point of this narration. 

I agree with the assessment that Outdoorsmen will generally outdo most urban dwellers if the SHTF........



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April we will be having our gathering. It is going to be a BO exercise with individual/family camping.
On solids--a bud has an adequate supply of black tips and Yellows also in various calibers. Just in case.



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If your staying and have the $$$ and space other than the basics you may also need several bunkers if you cannot stay in your house because of the number of unprepared entering your property and a Backhoe to bury those who thought they were going to take your stuff.

No one can stay awake 24/7 so you would also need dependable folks to help defend the perimeter



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Channeling either by benign or vicious means will help if undermanned.  Preplanning, prestaging, and drills (at least mental) will be of great value when the time comes. We are not bug out minded but fully capable of a total one. Doing a little "camp out" this weekend. Nothing like enjoying the solitude of wide open spaces--even if surrounded by forests--lol. Like the new Springfield Armory line--"Bring Enough Rifle". Will add--and amounts/style of ammo to feed it.



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It's a great question. And it's actually scary when other people start talking like you've been thinking for years. I wish that I was just crazy and paranoid, but other people seem to be seeing the same things...

That being said...

I'm only trusting my life and the life of my family with my M-14...

The weapons I expect to see used against me in a WROL (without rule of law) situation is primarily bolt action deer hunting rifles. The state of Michigan has the most registered deer hunters in the country. And if people have one weapon beyond a .22 rifle, it is a deer rifle.

Most people have these handed down to them, or use them once a year, and couldn't zero a scope out to save their lives. And since that's the name of the game, I've got the upper hand...

Shotguns are next and actually, if the attacker is using his brain, will be the first weapon of choice. Several attackers with shotguns lucky enough to get close enough will make quick work out of most people.

The biggest thing is vigilance and caution. Having something to protect. (meaning food water). I'm not big of "bugging out". Since most people don't have anything to bug out to. And they lack the skills not to get snatched up by anyone on their "bugging out" adventure.

Yes, collapse isn't happening tomorrow. As one guy here pointed out, unemployment isn't high enough yet. But that's not really the factor to watch. As things get worse, key economic players will loose faith in the economy and there will be a moment when they pull out and shelter their assets. It's already happening slowly. But not enough to send shock waves. The shock wave moment that is coming will change things over night. We are on life support at the moment.

They have MORE THAN DOUBLED the monetary supply in less than 10 years.... The other shoe is going to drop and it isn't going to be pretty. Think Weimar Republic...

My best advice is to have a reliable semi auto, magazine fed rifle in a caliber good enough to drop a man and take him out of the fight out to 300 meters. (go buy an M-14)...



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BEAR wrote:
On 9-11 my m1 carbine and 500 rounds with 6 clips was in the hard case with one large foling knife and two compasses.

Realize that as of 21 Dec. 2012 those will work backwards........ :wink:



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Anything current NATO. That ammo will be available while others are long gone.



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I myself like to have multiple weapons (long and short guns) in the same caliber. For example I have a Blackhawk and Win. Model 94 rifle in .44 magnum. I also have a GP100, S&W M19 and a Rossi M92 lever action rifle in .357 magnum.



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Wow. This is an OLD topic. Funny though: seems even more relevant than when it was first posted. On the basis of the question, "Is the world a safer place now than it was in 2011?"



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Am planning on staying put unless absolutely necessary to leave. We do have concrete ability to BO. "M" SKS, 77 in '06, 742 also, Tactical 12, 10-22, 45 and 22 Buckmark would be my preferred choices. How far/how fast/and how quickly one would have to depart would change weaponry choices. Would love to take the "potato" launcher but some things are just not highly mobile.



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Everything is situational.

Based upon the time of day, year and where you are actually standing at the time it occurs.

Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics. :wink:



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I ain't goin' nowhere.



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I'm looking up my friend in NE who could use some support should anyone come bothering him. :wink:



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Plainsman wrote: Wow. This is an OLD topic. Funny though: seems even more relevant than when it was first posted. On the basis of the question, "Is the world a safer place now than it was in 2011?"
More dangerous......now we have to worry about zombies!:wink:



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