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 Posted: Thu Oct 27th, 2011 01:21 PM
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My fellow co-workers and I have discussions all the time about our political environment, conspiracy theories, hunting, shooting and most things that men chat about.  Yesterday, one of my friends whom lately seems to be thinking the world will end next week started asking me some questions that got me thinking.
  • Carl he said, if the economy collapses and mass chaos ensues, people will revert to their natural instinct to survive.  That being said, if you had to defend your home or if you were to say "head to the hills", which gun or guns would you take?
Which was followed up with:
  • What is the most common rifle that I'd find in other peoples homes or from those whom wish to take what I have?
I wasn't shocked by the questions so to speak, but I was surprised to hear someone else ask them besides myself.  As this is something I've pondered just in case of the "Red Dawn" scenario.  I thought about this because if the above situation did occur, these are very REAL concerns one would face if left to survive. 

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 Posted: Thu Oct 27th, 2011 01:35 PM
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1.  A handgun with as much ammo as I could transport, probably at least 200 rounds and not a 22.  probably a 45

2.  Something semi-auto 223 centerfire.  I don't own one, most would have an AR something.  Ammo, probably at least 500 rounds

3.  A high caliber centerfire, preferably '06, with as much ammo as I could carry, at least 200 rounds. 

4.  A 22 that was accurate out to 100 and a brick of 500.

5.  No shotgun

6.  A cleaning kit.

 "I" being some member of my family

 

 

 

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The answers I gave him were, that 30-30, 30-06 & now 223 were probably the most popular rifles to be found in other homes or by those attempting to take what you have. Figuring he'd want to purchase rifles and or ammo in those category. I have a similar list which I'll share in another post.



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 Posted: Thu Oct 27th, 2011 01:49 PM
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Kind of a hair-raising question from your work buddy. 

I was just talking with my Kids about nuclear weapons, who would use them in a kind of terrorist way and what the repercussions would be.  Most likely scenarios are iran on Israel, Pakistan on India, terrorists on USA. 

Does anyone besides myself have rounds loaded with solids?  I have quite a few Barnes solids loaded up in my 22-250 and am going to get more in 308.  In that little 22-250 they penetrate 1/4 steel plate, all I had to test with.  I'm no talking big bore africa guns although of course, they could be called into action. 



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That's actually a good point 12Semi.  I think I might invest in some solids for my smaller caliber varmint rifles like my .204 and .22-250.  I few hundred rounds of each with solids wouldn't be a bad idea.

By the way, here is what I picked for the rifles I own:
  • .223 AR w/Trijicon Reflex/Open Sights 1000 rounds (all FMJ)
  • .17HMR w/2 Bricks 20gr XTP bullets (small game hunting)
  • Ruger 22/45 1 Brick
  • .30-06 & .300 Win Mag, as much ammo as I could carry
  • 9mm Browning Hi-Power & H&K .357 Sig w/.40 cal barrel  (Gives me 3 calibers)
That's a "Head for the Hills" situation.  If I held up at the house, I have access to the full arsenal so I'd be good to go.  I'd definitely try and partner with some specific neighbors as strength comes in numbers.

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I would not load FMJ.  If someone is coming, I want damage to body parts.  I don't necessarily follow the rules of War.   Hollow points, ballistic tips. 

I think your 17 is a good idea, I just don't own one.  I have added that to my list of stuff I want. 

300 mag rounds are heavy.  If I carried it, I would have to load up something besides partitions and ballistic tips.  probably go down to the 160 grain range of hollow points.  Maybe I'll get some PRIV brass, everything else is loaded.  I wonder if I can get 308 solids, any weight?

I have no big cal pistols and very little knowledge.  Is 9MM more accurate than say a 45 or are you looking at basic firepower?  I guess if they are close enough for pistol work a 9MM would do the job pretty well. 

 

 



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I chose the 9mm first because it's the most popular pistol caliber.  And most people whom own pistols purchase 9mm above all others, with .40 caliber next.  So my train of thought was that if I defended my home/family and found weapons on those individuals, I'd have more firearms and more ammunition in the caliber/chambering that I own.  The H&K .357 Sig is my favorite pistol, and I purchased it with a .40 cal barrel.  So even though the .357 would be rare, the .40 is really common.



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S/S, as with all things survival "it depends." For example, what are your co-workers plans if big, bad things happen, bug in or bug out? That will have a huge effect on choice of arms, among other things. The subject has been, ah, cussed and discussed at great length on a lot of different boards. At the risk of shamelessly promoting traffic to a pretty decent site loaded with info, go to http://www.survivalmonkey.com and poke around. Just about all things prep are covered. (Hand loading gets touched, very lightly, there as well. We generally send handloading questions here.)



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Interesting question, what constitutes big and Bad?  I would expect a wide array of activity across major cities and filtering down to smaller locations with maybe key objectives, like airports, etc.  I don't bug out unless mushroom clouds happen and by then, freeways and side roads will be jammed and might be a bad place to be, easy targets.  Anyone comes down my street/neighborhood looking for trouble gonna get big surpise. 

 

 



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I'm not talking Mushroom clouds, I'm talking total collapse of the economy, money isn't worth anything and the only rule of law will be Martial Law (if the Government survives, which it probably won't if we have a full scale collapse) So it will be tribal law/community law so to speak. Basically, barter system for goods/services and if you mess with me or my family you'll pay with your life.

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Economic collapse is not on horizon.  Need unemployment rate more than double present level.  Right now, people with jobs are still spending money and indebtedness is very slowly dropping, a great sign.  Foreclosures are worst in CA, NV, TX, FL,  & GA but they are everywhere and only minor upward good news available. 

The thing is, there are lots more people not employed than the numbers might suggest.  This wave of sit-ins is X amount of BS, something may fire off there but that threat is so mild-who among them would stand up to a AR?  I'm afraid I don't have much respect for them or what they are doing. 

So, all in all, I think we un-elect our Amateur and at the same time vote in some people who  BETTER stop this insane spending.   If the early Polls show Mr O is in deep, really deep, trouble, I believe we will see a marked improvement as people try to beat the rush. 

 



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SavageShooter wrote: My fellow co-workers and I have discussions all the time about our political environment, conspiracy theories, hunting, shooting and most things that men chat about.  Yesterday, one of my friends whom lately seems to be thinking the world will end next week started asking me some questions that got me thinking.
  • Carl he said, if the economy collapses and mass chaos ensues, people will revert to their natural instinct to survive.  That being said, if you had to defend your home or if you were to say "head to the hills", which gun or guns would you take?
Which was followed up with:
  • What is the most common rifle that I'd find in other peoples homes or from those whom wish to take what I have?
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Funny, ESPECIALLY the latter................

The people who will not have, will not have any weaponry (it is a small percentage any more of the populace today that "have guns") and seriously limited or no ability to GET firearms, to "take what you have". A BB gun, MAYBE"? Some Airsoft toy? A Ginsu?

Saw a butterknife split a .45 bullet in half last night, yes, true, same as a Katana did.

I also find the "end of the world" people seem to pay very little attention to the fact that they "speak with forked tongue".............

On one hand, the world is controlled by a rich and powerful few who like it running as it is.

On the other hand, "colapse" is about to happen, any moment.

The "few" of course are now ignored totally in "the colapse" scenario, apparently those with "all the power" suddenly become either "powerless" in some miraculous manner, or "uninterested in regaining control" somehow.

Advise your friend to make sure his stored water is not contaminated with DHMO (dhmo.org). Highly toxic if inhaled in very small quantities, also toxic if taken orally in excessive ammounts. Nasty chemical, used in a LOT of industrial processes.



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Come on, I absolutely love DHMO. I use it for almost everything, but it IS a potent inhalation hazard. Be careful with it.



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Charley, I get frustrated even trying to avoid the darn stuff these days. Seems like it's in everything. I'm a grocery store label reading fanatic and there are some products where every brand contains it. I heard the other day that scientists have even discovered it in monkey feces in the deepest jungles of central America. RD



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RD, it says DHMO is in nitroglycerin, which must be a component of Nitrocellulose, to which you are hopelessly addicted, me too.  So, this stuff is good!

 

Uh, No?!



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I think a lot depends on where you currently live...if you live in or near a big city, you chances of 'bugging out" are probably nil....if everyone else has the same idea, the roads/freeways/highways are probably going to be jammed, and you ain't goin' nowheres!!!! You are now stuck somewhere, in a mass of people, and in unfamiliar surroundings.

It depends on the situation, but I most likely plan on hunkering down where I am (at home). I have a large supply of canned goods, bottled and other water sources, (more on that in a moment), and a large supply of firewood. Back when the grid went down, and most of the northeast was plunged into darkness for about a week, there were a number of problems that became apparent, at least to me. Peoples fridges didn't work, so that is why I put up a large supply of canned and dried foods. People couldn't flush their toilets, and burying their waste in the back yard wasn't an option. Those who had swimming pools simply grabbed a bucket and 'flushed". I don't have a swimming pool, but I invested in 2 large, heavy duty trash cans, and filled them with water. I use them in the summe, when there are watering restrictions, to keep my vegetable garden alive, and figure I can use them to 'flush' if needs be. I put a plug in my 16ft Johnboat and when it rains, I used the water collected to keep the cans full.
What if the grid went down in the winter, instead of the summer....how you gonna heat your home? I put in a large supply of fire wood and figure I can seal off part of my home and keep the place warm for at least a few days.

AS for firearms, I am figuring an "urban, street fighting" scenario.....something probably akin to Stalingrad, Berlin in 1945, Saigon during Tet, ect. So all my 'survival' weapons have open sights, since long range shooting will probably not be the norm. I have a M1A1, and an AR15, and a fair amount of ammo for most. I disagree about the one shotgun comment....If there is ANYPLACE that a shotgun will be useful, it will be in this type of situation: close range (house to house, room to room), and several repeaters with slug barrels, and a large supply of buckshot and slugs for each.
As for handguns, I feel that firearms such as the 1911 or similar "duty" autos will be the norm. Plus, I plan on having a second handgun concealed on my person....something small, but effective (such as my Walter PPk or my Colt Detective special).
Finally, dont overlook the potential of a good quality air rifle....it can be used to fill the pot with small game/birds without alerting neighbors, Law enforcement, or the bad guys.
Just some thoughts..............



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My two cents, realistically, two damned old and stove up most sometimes to carry 60 or 80 pounds of rifle, ammo and gear. Found that out this last hunting season:wink: A shooting instructor we use couple times a year was talking about this subject at one of our classes. When the S.H.T.F. what are you going to have?
Most people these days do not have the physical strength (other than the active army(army being all inclusive) dudes) to carry around a full days load for any give time. I'd settle for my M-1 Garand, .45 Colt ACP and the 12ga for the other half. I have lots of ammo for all three but can't carry it...so I'll stay back and be your rear guard, have a beer for me later on:wink:



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If you ever get the chance to see the recent movie called "Contagion" then you should check it out. The reason being is because this scenario is played out to full effect in that movie. And as I sat and watched it with the wife on Pay Per View this last weekend, I felt very vindicated that the director played the scenario exactly as I thought it would go down. Decent movie too btw.



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If you plan to bugout. The thing I would Suggest is to figure out what you would do and were you will go.  and play it out on a nice weekend. Maybe on a small scale to  see. Like a firedrill  but a survival drill.



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