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Shotgun Verses Rifle
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 Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2012 04:30 PM
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Actually the debate on this subject is long and at times tedious.

Each person has their own preference and the reality is...... stick with what ya know and trust.

But let me approach this from another angle.  Ammunition.

Soft loading a rifle can work to a point.  Which has it's own problem in that you actually have to point it at the target.

A shotgun on the other leg is something that does not have to be centered up on the target.  Especially if you roll your own ammo.

Back when shotguns were known as scatter guns, the shells were made with nothing more then cardboard fillers or wads between the powder and shot.  This cause the spread of shot to occur the instant it clear the barrel.

With today's loads, we have a sleeve type wadding which hold the shot together until the wadding seperates and falls away.  This hold the shot together much longer and creates a tight pattern downrange.

Inside a home, odds are you will hit the target with the shot still inside the wadding.

Roll your own. 

Simply cut the sleeves away from the wadding portion.  If you do not like the 'extra' room now created in the shell, fill the gaps with BB's, or some other shot.

Now when fired, the shot will begin to spread out due to deformity caused by the lead rubbing against the steel barrel.  Ergo....... scattergun.

Now you have a situation where having a good fix on the target becomes less a liablity.  A near miss with a rifle means blood splatter all over grandma's china cabinet with a shotgun.

 



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 Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2012 08:02 PM
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I'm bi-partisan.  I just don't believe in excluding one class over another so I'll have one of each and a handgun tucked in my belt.:wink:

All jokes aside, there's one other difference between a rifle and a shotgun.  You aim a rifle, you point a shotgun, but if the shotgun isn't pointing where you're looking  when you fire you'll still miss even at close range.  Cheek weld on a shotgun is just as necessary for accurate shooting.



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Have a Winchester 1200 behind the closet door, with 2 loads of HV #2s, and 3 OBK behind them, a Ruger 10/22 with ful mag and empty chamber in the master BR closet, and some handguns strategicly placed thru the house. Close enough to get to any of them with just a few seconds warning. Two story house helps, the stairwell is a freefire zone, the angle will help prevent whoopsies on a neighbor's house.



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 Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2012 01:37 PM
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I cured that problem loooooong ago,



I instantly can choose what i need for the job at hand!

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Can't go wrong with either if there are no concerns for over penetration. 00B is very good at penetrating walls and retaining enough energy to do some serious damage. 55 gr JHPs in 223 will penetrate walls but will likely be very fragmented.

I'd feel comfortable with either for close range self defense since it's only my wife and I at home anymore. If any of you have ever touched off a firearm in a building, you'll probably end up with some hearing damage like me. That's why this is my HD gun.



My hearing is bad enough as it is!



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Best answer of all time, to many if not most questions like this: "Depends." (No, not THOSE Depends.)

My needs might be different from others. I have no neighbors. (We talk about folks being "neighbors" when they're 20 miles away.) It's highly unlikely that an intruder would get into the house while I'm at home. I live with three dogs and they are very alert house-mates. I have a gate on the front deck with a bell.

The most likely scenario from my standpoint would be coming home from an errand to find that someone was there who shouldn't oughta be. The dogs (who would be outside in the fenced area between house and shop) would tell me if anything were awry. In the extremely unlikely event of coming home to a pickup backed up to the front deck, I have a Mini-14 in the footwell of the off-driver seat, plus six magazines in a pouch. Block the autogate and "go see."

But where I am it would be a LOT of trouble and extremely dangerous to be a intruder. Besides, there are only two ways out of here: both 30 miles long on a one-laner. No-goods are apt to run into a cowboy roadblock before they got very far. It just doesn't pay. At least I hope it doesn't, but that only counts with sensible people.



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Plainsman wrote:
.. I live with three dogs and they are very alert house-mates. ...

The most likely scenario from my standpoint would be coming home from an errand to find that someone was there who shouldn't oughta be. The dogs (who would be outside in the fenced area between house and shop) would tell me if anything were awry.


lol, Unless those thieves throw the dogs some t-bones.

Actually I have a friend in N Ga that thinks that's what happened when his house was robbed.
He had rottweilers in the yard that usually didn't like other people and the only thing he can think happened is that they must have in his words "thrown them some t-bones".



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You can train your dogs to not accept food from strangers, or from anyone except yourself. It takes some work, but can be done.



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Plainsman wrote:
You can train your dogs to not accept food from strangers, or from anyone except yourself. It takes some work, but can be done.

You might be able to, I had to get someone else to house train my jack russell.
I have a late uncle that had to two doberman pinschers and he could put anything in front of them and they wouldn't eat it until he snapped his figures. Pretty neat.



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My dogs sit and wait to be released before attacking their food bowls. This has been the drill since they were puppies. It's an excellent way to start training them.

My last Rottie would not accept food or treats from anyone. If offered one he would back away, sit down, and keep his suspicious eye on the giver. He was always trained with the food-bowl release, but I never taught him about not accepting treats. That was his idea.

Parson Russells are a different story!



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For inside the house, I'll go to AR with 16" barrel.  In the truck, 1911.  I live in the county where minimum yard is 5 acres.  Very little traffic.  My gate is 200' away.  If I had a Win Mod 12 trench or riot shotgun that would be available also.



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Inside the house a shotgun will not spread much no matter what kind of wad or choke you have. A good rule of thumb is the spread will be 1" per yard. So inside your house about 6" is all the spread you'll get. Of course a cylinder bore will spread more than a full choke but at very close ranges the differences are negligible. A sawed off shotguns pattern being 4 or 5 feet inside the saloon is the figment of some movie directors imagination.



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swampshooter wrote:
Inside the house a shotgun will not spread much no matter what kind of wad or choke you have. A good rule of thumb is the spread will be 1" per yard. So inside your house about 6" is all the spread you'll get. Of course a cylinder bore will spread more than a full choke but at very close ranges the differences are negligible. A sawed off shotguns pattern being 4 or 5 feet inside the saloon is the figment of some movie directors imagination.

Yep.

Oh, and don't try a load of dimes in the 10-gauge double either. It's an old Jesse James story, which I've seen tested on a pig carcass wearing clothing. The only injury MIGHT BE an eye, if you hit the eye. most bounced completely off the clothing, let alone the pig carcass skin.
Range looked to be something under 30 feet.

The follow-up load of buckshot tore the pig a new one.

That's not modern 3.5" 10-bore, but the older short version, 2 7/8" or some such similar thing.......... Same pressure, lighter payloads. Comparable to the 3" 12-gauge.



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It depends guys. There are different kinds of perps. The ones I fear are the Meth heads who are breaking in to steal for a fix at 3 am.

Mort I like you idea for the shot gun loads. I think I will dissemble a few 00's and re assemble with the wad cut down.Thats a good idea.

Around here we also have the guys who back a truck up to your house when you at work and clean you out.
I personally know two people who that has happened to.
One who just went into town to pick up the kids maybe gone 25 minutes.

I still think its the guy who shows up selling steaks out of his van finding the targets.
I personally have had these guys stop by twice while I was home at 1pm.
I even asked them, Why are you here when every one is at work? Seems the worst time to find some one home to sell too.
Dont know if they were but seems a easy way to case for targets.



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yea those meat sales people come around the holiday times.
I tell them.
Are you F'n nuts it is deer season and you want me to buy meat, i ain't buying no meat i kill all my meat!

Had a buddy shoot a wino trying to break in to his house.
shot him with a pump BB gun he went to the house next to his yelling you shot me with a BB.
cops showed up and hauled him off.

So it needs to be bigger than a pump BB gun.



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swampratt wrote:

So it needs to be bigger than a pump BB gun.


LOL:lol:



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Hello

In the home it's a shotie.



Depending on what is going on a pistol to get to the rifle. Pistol would be a Glock in a common cartrige, Rifle would be a AR-15 M 4 ., also would not hurt to have a shottie along just in case.

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An older Mossy 500 with the Hogue pistol grip is my house gun. I've experimented with all types of loads and none give much pattern at close range, even in an 18" cylinder bore.
It isn't for everyone but its pretty handy and packs a punch. A youth stock would make it more friendly from the shoulder but I've found it to be a negative in close quarters.



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Coupla guys noted various weapons and locations throughout the house. Question is, do you have an actual PLAN for what to do, who does what, who goes where in case of an uninvited guest?  If you try to mentally walk through an event, you may find a need for a weapon in place x instead of y.  

At my house, we have a plan, loosely constructed around a core event-someone is in or trying to get in.  We have practiced it and refined the plan.  It would not go very well for an intruder.  



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Yea! SHOTGUN!!!!!! Home rolled ammo! Home defense!



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