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Hot air balloon ( It Is Balloooooon!!!!)
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 Posted: Thu Jan 30th, 2014 06:01 PM
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I'm a nut!!!! I have an idea in my head that I would like to try with my Scouts. Bacicly. cut a groung tarp into a leaf shape. Point on top flat accross the bottom. As you duck tape the sections together you would have an open bottom ball. Fold a thin gitar string in the bottom to keep it open and drop 3 or 4 more gitar strings to a tuna can. If I use alchol, and about a 3 ft balloon would I have enough lift to get the thing off the ground.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 30th, 2014 06:20 PM
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Don't forget to duct tape a folding lawn chair to it so you have a place to sit.:wink:



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Might need another roll of duct tape lol. Please take pictures.



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We used to make the out of big dry cleaning bags, they used for dresses or suits. Straws were put end to end to form loop, around mouth of bag, scotch tape held folded over bag in place. Make a cross to hold bag open with drinking straws, 12-16 birthday candles, in small slits in cross straws provided hot air.

It worked best to hold bag over small fire to fill bag, then light candles and let it fly. We would do it at night in winter, the bag would glow and shimmer in sky and from below, you would see cross lit up.



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My experience with duct tape (I'm sure all men have experience with Duct Tape) is that by the time you reach the temperature required to generate enough lift to raise that contraption up into the air, The duct tape would come unglued. Now if you were to do some stitching with the wife's sewing machine on both sides of all the seams you might actually get that thing airborne. You may need to generate a bit more heat but I like the way you think.



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I think the tarp will be way too heavy. There are a ton of videos on you tube about this. Here's one. But I don't recommend it for boy scouts. It does however illustrate the weight and heat requirements. For those of you just wanting to see stupidity at it's finest just go to 7min 31 sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mg9KXA-EIQ



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I;m just looking for something unique and fun for the kids. No one makes hot air baloons and if we do it at summer camp, the other troops may take notice.

   The boys have always respected me because I'm not starchy and stuck on politicly correct, and hypathitical what if's. Most of what I design uses PVC pipe. From sling shots to Bows. From catipults to snowball canons. Shoot, we even made a boat for the anything that floats race out of 1/2 inch PVC, thin plywood and a tarp with a little duck tape. My 12 year olds made it and have won the race every time they entered that thing.

   I like the idea of sewing the tarp shut. it will teach the boys another skill needed in their lives. That is half the idea when I come up with some hair brain plan. But, I'm not a rocket scientist. What would it take to get a 3ft blue tarp baloon off the ground or will the heat required for lift turn it into the Hindonburg.

 

  HEY. WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!! how about using the duck tape to seal the seams and a piece of pvc with a valve at the bottom then fill it with helium. It's not as much fun as asedaline and a lamp cord, but the Boy Scouts are not alowed to make things that go BOOM!:troll:



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The reason we used dry cleaner bags, we tried reg garbage bags and they were too heavy, we also went to half birthday candles, as it wouldn't lift 12 full length ones. These bags were about 6' tall and 2' diameter, they provided lift for themselves and platic strawberry basket. We tried the plastic army men in basket, it would lift one on cool night, two if it was cold.

I would try the mylar emergency blankets, cut to your pattern and seams taped with light double sided scotch tape, you could use thread in seams, with the tag ends to attach "basket" to. Remember to have heat source up couple inches, from mouth of balloon.



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Hey Robert, where did you grow up? I think we used to hang out together...

We used to make the same hot air balloons. Dry cleaning bags were key. Everything else was too heavy. To save on weight, we would close the hole in the top by melting it. They would only work in the winter. The colder the better. On a cold calm night they would fly out of sight.



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Elk Grove, CA I moved away 79 or 80.



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When I was a boy scout we made an 7-8 ft kite with heavy twine to fly it. Nothing fantastic unless you throw in the part where we would glue an empty wooden match box for a cockpit and put a mouse in it. Took several of us just to hang onto the kite while it was flying.



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Robert, I was really just kidding about the possibility that we hung out as kids. It's just kind of ironic that we somehow came upon the same hot air balloon design a continent apart. I'm sure in my case at least I didn't come upon it on my own. Probably heard it from somewhere. Don't know where but it obviously wasn't the internet (40 years ago)...



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Ummmm



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Cyber guy.... Thats  just wrong!!!!!:lol:



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TCG, I was thinking the same thing. Send that baby up and have one candle go out and it starts back down with 2 or 3 others still lit......

Sorry, just reality Don. Certainly not wanting to rain on your parade here as I was a Troop Committee Chairman for a couple of years and know you are trying to find things to keep your scouts engaged and growing. RD



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I'd have it tethered so it wouldn't go any where. I'm not trying to launch a Scout, just attract a little attention. How many people do you know  who made and got a hot air ballon off the ground. That's the kind of stuff a kid would never forget. Kids still talk about the PVC catipults we made and the boat we made out of 1/2 in. PVC pipe. That thing won the anything that floats race. I work out the idea, draw it, then let the kids build it from the drawing. so far, this is the only idea I haven't gotten off the ground.:confused:



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We made a water balloon launcher from some heavy 4' bungee cords and a couple of trees that were really close together. I can't remember if we had 2 or 3 per side. Can't remember what we used for a projectile pocket. Used some heavy vinyl D handles from the top of 15 gallon soap drums to get enough grip to pull them back. Safety glasses are a must. If a bungee would snap it can come back with a fair amount of force. We could launch grape fruit sized balloons over 100 yards. RD



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Oh, man, we just had a 5K sq ft house down the bayou from me, burn down due to errant fireworks. Apparently a rocket from the north side landed in the flower bed of dry pine straw and ignited the house on the south side. People in the house were at the other end of the house and did not know it was on fire until the fire got through the frame wall.

Flying fire is not so good if it lands in the wrong place.
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