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 Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 05:29 PM
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If the SHTF would it behoove us to put together our own militia or hook up with others? 

Most of us are veterans it looks like so taking orders or giving them should be natural.

It's just a subect I don't see too much discussion on.

I mean based on what little I know about Mortis at this point I would offer my guns, water, food, skills, to hook up with him and or others under his command to survive.

But I'm about 1500 miles away and plan on sticking it out where I am (if possible). 

People are going to band together (good and bad) some with guns, most without.

Maybe I should have made the subject: "Leadership after SHTF"

I guess you know what I'm saying.

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In this day and age where (swearing to support and defend?) being a "constitutionalist" or claiming to possess rights as plainly stated in english can get you labled a "domestic terrorist" ;

  Starting an online "mickey mouse club" would certainly get you and your  fellow" mouseketeers"each a detailed file if not  an appointment with a goobermint appointed shrink for adjudication. Besides being a perfect way to run a counter intel operation (.I.E. like a magnet in the crankcase oil drainplug); how better to attract and identify possible" troublemakers"???? Just myusual slightly paranoid view; :sofa:
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Tango3 wrote:
In this day and age where...claiming to possess rights as plainly stated in english can get you labled a "domestic terrorist"...

 


Yes, well, the gummint and its dedicated flunkies can osculate my fundament.



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 Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 04:28 AM
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I know this is old, but Wolfkill, I'm kinda up in your area and looking to learn Handloading... maybe we could meet up sometime and shoot the shit.  Would at least be SOME contact if tshtf.



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They (gov., etc.) know who we are and will collect our belongings as needed.  If you lived in the Metro DC area a few years ago (Lee Malvoe, and Mohamed the snipers), you would understand.  If you were part of a gun club, with vocal opposition to Democrat thinking post Oklahoma bombing, you would refrain from large purchases of Ice Melt, and cheep fertilizers.  All of us can be taken for probable cause, and disarmed.  I see it from time to time here in the peoples republic.  The TSA always opens my baggage, and has always damaged my firearms in transit.  The Big Easy should give us all a clue, pre and post Katrina.  Good citizens were disarmed and left on their own.  It will happen again and again.  Keep a low profile.



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The problem I have run into in "survivalism" is, the actually serious people are far too independent to work together, while the idiots out number the knowledgable people tens of thousands to one. I belong to alot of "survivalist forums" and find most of these people would be found dead Monday morning if they went on a weekend camp out in their backyard. I rarely find anyone who has tried ANY of the stuff they recommend. I know one loser (well...actually a bunch) who calls me up and spouts off about something. When I say "Have you tried any of this?" it is "Um...ah...wow...but blah blah blah" "No, have YOU tried any of this?" "Um...ah...wow...but blah blah blah" "NO, have YOU TRIED ANY OF THIS STUFF?!" The answer is ALWAYS 'no, they never tried any of this'. But that doesn't stop them from recommending it!

Reminds me of Duncan Long books, short on facts, Long on BS!! He became the editor of LIVE FREE, the world's oldest and largest 'survival' group (at the time it was formed, the ONLY too), because no one else wanted it. Since he was the editor of the 'world's oldest and largest', he MUST know SOMETHING, right?! WRONG!! His books (the ONLY two he wrote from personal experience are HOW TO BE AN INFO WRITER, where he states 'the less you know about a subjest the better, as you don't get bogged down in details' and dang, I'm so peeved I can't remember the other) are all written by people who are taking a "writing course" and asigned a chapter...OOPS! meant to say "a subject", which is then thinnly rewritten, as in changing only one word! Ask me how I know!!

The ONLY magazine/book I KNOW was written by people who actually "went and done" is the out of print INDEPENDENT AMERICAN ONLINE MAGAZINE which became the print LMI MAgAZINE before folding, which is available from NORTHWOODS TRADERS (Northwoodstraders.com - I THINK! Need to check). EXCELLENT MAG, but expensive to put out. NO ADS! OK, it MIGHT have ONE page of adverts to 120-166 page issue, but since nearly all gun/survival rags are 50-70 pages and are 33%-51% adverts (NOT including the so called 'product reviews' that are straight from the catalog)that isn't bad.



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The address for NORTHWOODS TRADERS who sell the INDEPENDENT AMERICAN MAG CD is http://www.northwoodstraders.ecrater.com - then go to the book/CD/DVD link and hit it.



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in this country supposedly WE are the government......  i would hope that if the purple lipped marxist got too far off the reservation the military (from the top down) will help protect and save their country......... the net helps but america will need real bullets and firepower take any kind of roundup down......   i was talking to a good friend and reloading buddy a couple of weeks ago about this and he said don't worry we are too old to survive the initial blast...................................................................

 

 

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Here is the problem the way I see it: Most "survivalists" are preparing for a total collapse/TEOTWAWKI scenario, where there is a complete breakdown of Law and Order.  Rawles (in patriots) called it "the Crunch," where everyman was out for themselves and whomever had the best retreat (stocked with ammo, food and gear) survived.  But one only has to look to history to see reality - the government wont dissolve/disappear, rather it would become larger and more intrusive.  No "retreat" will isolate you from government reach.  And if you think your survival garden or stockpile of ammo saves you, answer these questions for yourself:

Retreats) During the depression, did the government leave the private farms alone. Were property rights respected? Answer - it was called the Dustbowl for a reason

Ammo) Does anyone remember WACO or Ruby ridge? Do you really think taking up arms when the local sheriff comes to tell you its time to evacuate will work? (Katrina) Even if that did, do you honestly believe the sheriff will just walk away. No one has a large enough cache of ammo to take on the Police and National Guard. And if you believe that you should, then you Sir/Ma'am are NOT a PATRIOT.  Instead, you are exactly what those out to destroy America want you to be.

I offer my opion because I would like to see Preppers come together.  I recognize they will never share their stuff.  But thats my point!!!  Preparing should be about ensuring that the very foundations of our country survives.  Several months ago, I was completely stressed out over prepping.  So badly that I had insomnia for about 8 days: I needed a bigger house, more land, more skills, more MONEY to afford all the stuff. In began effecting my work, my relationships, my family.  Praise GOD for answering my prayers, when he told me: Prepare in spirit, not in stuff.

If we are to TRULY SURVIVE, we must stop focusing on fortifying our retreat. Instead, together, we must STAND, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, and mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. 

 



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TacAlert, I have to disagree with you. Teddy Roosevelt said (OK, I can't remember the exact quote) "I love my country, but my gov't is NOT my country".

Yes, I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge. Dave Coresh went running every morning, they could have picked him up along side the road instead of raiding a building full of women and children and having helicopters over head shooting anyone who tried to get out of the building the gov't set on fire and filled with poison gas, gas that couldn't even have been used on enemy combatants. Look it all up, it all came out, later. Were/are the people who committed these crimes (murdering 93 men, women and children) against the American People, "patriots"? What about the cover ups and lies later? Are these the acts of "patriots" or murderious thugs?

Ruby Ridge. Were they bothering anyone? No. Why the raid where a nine year old boy was machinegunned in the back while running away? Why was an unarmed mother holding a baby in her arms murdered by a sniper? Are/were the murders "patriots"? What about the lies, cover-ups and jokes about murdering an unarmed woman holding a baby in her arms? Are these the acts of "patriots" or murderious thugs?

Guess what? In Indiania now, a cop can kick down your door for any reason it wants and illegally invade your home and murder, steal or destroy freely and the Supreme Court of Indiania said it was LEGAL! Not only THAT, it is now ILLEGAL to defend yourself agains ILLEGAL home invasions if done by criminals with badges! Warrant? We doon need no stinkin warrant! This is Amerika! Yes, the court even ruled that no warrant invasions of your home did NOT violate the Fourth Amendment, the right to be free of unreasonable searches and invasions of your home!

Your house ILLEGALLY destroyed and loved ones hurt or killed in an unwarranted and warrantless attack? Well you can always sue in the same courts that said it was legal for warrantless home invasions to be done for no reason and see where that gets you!

Ever hear of Geo. Washington? Thomas Jefferson? Hey, THEY took on the sheriff and National Guard of their day, are they "patriots"?



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At no time, did i intend to convey that i condoned the acts of "enforcement strategy" used by that administration. I mentioned those cases to illustrate we cant do it alone.

I agree with you, in so far as, we have the God given right to defend ourselves, from all enemies, foreign And domestic but no sir, i dont agree with you that david koresh was a patriot. By his own actions, he was a criminal. As for weaver -while i whole-heartedly support his right to own guns (even modified weapons), he too was engaged in illegal activity and must bear responsibiltiy (not all, but his part) for placing his family in danger. That is very core of being a prepper - taking responsibility.
But lets not lose sight of the forest by focusing on a single tree: My point was that we cannot... We must not do it alone. We as preppers must be united and set the example. Because, sadly, i dont see everyday Americans turning off dancing with the fools and holding their government accountable - even when a when a family is gunned down.



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Once more - At Waco, Koresh was NEVER charged with a crime. The sheriff came and was invited in, no problem. The idea that the feds had to murder 93 men, women and children (you DO remember the CONgressional hearing where it came out that military sharpshooters were circling in helicopters shooting anyone who tried to get out of the building the  feds set on fire don't you?) to bring a "dangerious criminal to justise" was so much rot. Also I NEVER said Koresh was a patriot. Nice job of using a strawman to further your point.

The "DUST BOWL" was called a Dust Bowl because it hadn't rained for six years (OK, it rained so little that crops and plants could not grow, not that there was literally 'no' rain), not because the gov't burned farmers to death with poison gas that can't even be used on our enimies.

Read the court transcripts of Randy Weaver. He cut the barrel back to 18 1/2", the FED INFORMER admitted HE cut the barrel off shorter. Randy's "crime" was wanting to be left alone.



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Randy Weaver suffered some great loses due to out of control government. I also agree, as long as the "drones" have thier dancing with the fools and American idiot, it will have to happen TO them before they pay attention.
SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.



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I keep an eye on things and try to live a life that keeps my dependence on lots of commercial stuff low. I grow food and fill my cellar. I too, got a bit mental reading all these survival freaks. I visit from time to time, but have changed my views.

I think that many of the "Lone Wolf" types may turn out to be stray dogs. I have to stick with my pack; family, neighbors & friends.

Arguing specifics is just mental play, IMO.

A good mental and spiritual attitude may just be worth more than any amount of bullets, beans and band-aids.



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where i live i get to bug in. couple places i can hole up in as needed. but one does need to be in a good sized band to survive a full on collapse.

but it will never happen here in this country.
at least not during our life time.



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