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 Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 06:18 PM
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There are probably several books out there on this subject, but I thought I would ask. Plus the nearest book store is 40 minutes away and the library is 20 minutes maybe. Is there a website with this information on it?

I know that the veterinary trade has pretty much the same drugs like Penicillin and Tetracycline, but how are they listed? What kind of doages do they come in. I am not sure if the vets use things like beta blockers or meds for the ills of a human being, like hyper tension meds, etc.

Any one know what the Vets have and use. Are some of these things across the counter at the feed mills?

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Jerry

 



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what? :confused:    sounds like a bad idea waiting to kill.



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You can get many antibiotics and other meds from the feed supply stores, there are made by the same people who make the ones for humans.

Some of the survivalist books mention that you can get meds for about anything from the farmers, but knowing which ones are what and the dosage is the trick.

If you take what on the streets is called Special K, you are taking a large animal sedative, not meant for humans. but tetracycline and penicillin are the same drugs that people take.

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oh your talking if your lost and a farmer only has meds for dogs or something. i thought you were making a kit to prevent death and where just cheap.



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I live out in the country side. Many of the cattle farmers take care of their own needs, because having a vet vaccinate a large herd of cattle is not really cost effective. Plus you have to look at all of the live stock that use the same grazing areas that deer and other wild critters.

On tonights news was something about a rabit fox in town, that attacked a police officer that tried to Tazer the fox. The officer got bit or scratched. So out here in the country side, we try to protect our animals from such things. My barn cats all have been vaccinated for Rabies. But these are not pets, they keep the mice population down and other small varmints in the barn and in the fields.

You can buy many antibiotics at the fed mills and the coops, you just have to know the names of them.

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Jerry, You might try here.  http://www.nrsp-7.org/mumsrx/tn/



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Rockydog,

 

Thanks that does help to identify some of the drugs that I want to know about.

 

Again thanks,

 

Jerry



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Just a couple words of caution if I may.  First, in alot of states it's now illegal and criminal to get caught administering Vet meds to a human, yourself or another. 
 
   Second the dosage as you mentioned is given by animal types rather than weight so trying to guess can be fatal.  I've heard that if you got the rough weights of the animals and compared them to your own weight  you could get a reference. Just understand that  muscle mass and internal organ size also plays a part in the equation and it's always the small print that kicks ya in the butt.

   Third, while the meds may be less restricted than those for humans alot of places now require ID when you go to buy them. 

    Fourth,  since the meds are slightly less refined than those for human consumption their expiration dates are that much more critical.     Not only that but remember the older a med gets the more potent it can get rather than weakening.  One of the ones that comes first to mind is morphine. 

   Well I'll get off my soapbox now, hope ya find what you are looking for MJ.

  Take care Be safe Poacher.



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Poacher,

I am looking for a last ditch source for meds, if this whole economic system goes into a depression, I want the knowledge to carry me through.

Because I do live on a farm, when I buy nitrates, I am suppose to show them ID, but as that I have an account with the coop. I just sign for my stuff, Because my last name doesn't sound foreign to the people around here and I look like most of the people around here, I have no problems getting Ag stuff. If I owned two goats, I can buy Ag meds. If I owned two cows I could buy a lot more than I would need, so I figure go with the goats.

Its just like getting syringes, the place I buy my tooling stuff from, they have medical grade syringes in various sizes, they come from the same place as the hospitals get them from and in the same sterile packages. They are used for gluing, oiling and a few other things, if you really do own a shop, these are legal to buy. Plus I can get them from the coop if I owned two goats. I just don't need big bore needles for non animal uses.

There was a book that was out during the Y2K thing by some research doctor on what Ag meds could be used and how much. But I didn't buy that book then and now I can't find it.  The central Ohio gun show situation dried up with the promoter stealing the treasuring, so I can't go to those shows to look for that book.

If you want to know where BFE is, I live 20 miles further away. I raise corn that can become fuel. I have veggies that I can preserve with little trouble. I can take deer and small game for meat.  I am not a survivalist, I like my satellite TV and eating at fast food places, I just want to be able to make my resources go a lot further if need be.

It is all in the knowledge that one possesses.

Jerry



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I'm dependent upon levothyroxine thyroid replacement meds.  I don't know where I'd get that.  Anybody have any ideas?



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When you are out hunting, when you butcher the game animal, remove the thyroid, and dehydrate it. Grind it up and a take a pinch or so every day, if that dosage doesn't work increase it to 2 pinches.

I don't know if this works, but some friends have told me that this is want thyroid meds were before gene technology took over the world.

Good Luck,

Jerry



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Veterinary antibiotics (like amoxicillin, erythromycin, etc.) are essentially chemically the same as what is used in humans, but the dosages used in animals are VERY DIFFERENT; often times, much larger doses are used for animals. There may be differences in the manufacturing processes, additives, etc. that don't show up on the label. Additionally, some drugs that are OK for human use will kill animals, and vice versa.

If you have an Ipaq, Palm Pilot, or some other PDA or handheld computer running either the Palm OS or Windows Mobile, you can download the Epocrates Rx software for free, and it will give you basic dosing and other information on a great many drugs used in humans.

I wouldn't recommend doctoring yourself with animal meds. What you stock in your emergency med kit is certainly your business, and in an emergency, SOME animal meds MIGHT be useful to fight infections, etc. In any case, CAUTION is a word that cannot be stressed enough! Not only could there be legal ramifications, but you could really hurt yourself or someone else.

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My family doctor gave me a couple of scripts to get some needed antibiotics for just in case, because I live way out in the country side and he is sometimes off doing army reserve duty. He trusts me on some things and warns me that antibiotics do have a definite shelf life.

 

He did mention that outside of the U.S. (OCONUS) that the pharmaceuticals that the U.S. military uses do come from companies that made the same meds that are for humans and animals, and yes the dosage are vastly different. He said inside the U.S. not to use the stuff for animals as they are not quite the same.

 

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My veterinarian often says, you can buy Doxycycline or Amoxicillin, or Erythromycin, etc. from me, or I can call it in to Walgreen's or the pharmacy of your choice.  With regard to dosages 100mg Doxy is 100mg is 100mg whether used for humans or for dogs.  The difference lies in the dosage per body weight.

Last year when my dogs and I all came down with Anaplasmosis, my vet and my family doctor prescribed 100mg Doxy twice a day for my smaller dogs, 100 mg 3 times a day for my big male dogs and 100mg 3 times per day for me as well.  Same number per day for Amoxy, but off the top of my head it is 500 mg per pill.  Each med has a different range of dose/body weight.  

I live WAY out in the country, 50 miles from my vet.  I also live in deer tick central with Lymes, anaplasmosis, erlychiosis rampant.  During our last household bout of AnaP it took 532 Doxy to dose all 8 dogs for the required 4 weeks, then 266 Amoxy for the two weeks of Amoxy followup.

Through my vet, I just bought 500 each of Doxy and Amoxy in original manufacturer's container, not the re-bottled brown bottle prescription you might get at the pharmacy or vet.  I didn't see anything on the bottle or enclosed manufacturer's fact sheet saying "not for human use."  I'll check it more closely tonight.

I know when I've run out of veterinary supplied Doxy in the past and couldn't get in to town for a few days, with my vet's blessing, I've given dogs some left over Doxy that my doctor had prescribed for me.



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If push comes to shove, I'll have no problem giving myself a needle in the butt of whatever antibiotic I can get.



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Has anyone here heard of or tried, I can't spell it worth a hoot but I'll try, collodial silver? I do know a friend who makes his own and it's suposed to have antibiotic properties



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I would need to replace blood pressure meds and for the next year or so, plavix would be another to replace.



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trickywoo wrote: Has anyone here heard of or tried, I can't spell it worth a hoot but I'll try, collodial silver? I do know a friend who makes his own and it's suposed to have antibiotic properties

Saw a display booth at Boom Days in Leadville, CO a few weeks ago that was selling a product called IV-7. Ingredients are:"Electrolytically generated silver ions - .003%, citric acid - 4.846%, and 95.151% other ingredients".

The salesman gave me a demo by spraying some into his mouth.. Probably has germ-free tonsils..

Do a search for IV-7, lots of info...



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3006 user wrote: trickywoo wrote: Has anyone here heard of or tried, I can't spell it worth a hoot but I'll try, collodial silver? I do know a friend who makes his own and it's suposed to have antibiotic properties

Saw a display booth at Boom Days in Leadville, CO a few weeks ago that was selling a product called IV-7. Ingredients are:"Electrolytically generated silver ions - .003%, citric acid - 4.846%, and 95.151% other ingredients".

The salesman gave me a demo by spraying some into his mouth.. Probably has germ-free tonsils..

Do a search for IV-7, lots of info...
There is extensive info on colloidal silver on survivalmonkey.com.  There has also been a pretty good sized splash in the 3rd page of any newspaper about a guy that turned blue from using (probably overuse) of it.



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Upstate Matt wrote: If push comes to shove, I'll have no problem giving myself a needle in the butt of whatever antibiotic I can get.

You might want to be a little careful there. There is an animal antibiotic out there called Micotil (Tilmycosin Phosphate is the active ingredient) for use in teating bovine pneumonia. A cow can handle about 3 ml per 100 pounds of body weight. A  simple needle stick can cause allergic reactions in humans. Any amount of drug accidently administered to humans can cause heart arythmia and destruction of heart tissue and has led to death in the victims.

Some of the other animal drugs may not contain compounds that lessen allergic reactions etc. There are even some that are limited to non food producing animals only as they are carcinogenic in nature.

Antibiotic use in animals is not a bad thing, as all the chicken littles in the world would have us believe, but does require caution and following the rules.

Unless you are a pharmacist or vet best approach is caution. RD

 



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