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How to Reload 45LC for Winchester 92
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 Posted: Sun Aug 28th, 2011 03:20 AM
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I have just started to load bullets for my 45LC Winchester 92 and I thought I would use a heavy bullet to give better hitting power.... I went out to the rang and tried to sight in on a 100yd target... good luck with that.  I had the rear sight adjuster right out and still hit 16" low.  At 50yds I was good to go.

Give me a powder and load to make the 300s hit a 100yd target.

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Hutch, I think you'll find all the info you need here:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/45coltlevergun.htm

Loads are near the bottom of the article but I'd read the entire article before venturing into this realm. 

My Hornady manual says that 300 grain bullets in .458 (a slight difference but probably not significant from your .452s)with a 1300 fps muzzle velocity will need to be sighted in 2.23" high at 50 yds to be dead on at 100 and will drop 27"+ at 200.

At 1500 fps the same bullet would need to be sighted in 1.6" high at 50 yds to be dead on at 100 and will drop 21.5" at 200.

Bear in mind that both of these velocities far exceed the MAX loads for even Ruger Blackhawks and TC Contenders in the 45 Colt chamberings.

1500 fps is in the 454 Casull realm and will generate upwards of 40000 CUP in the larger Casull case depending on powders used, even more in the 45 Colt case.

If you are going to load the loads suggested in the article make doubly sure that your rifle is built to handle those pressures. Shooting a vintage gun so chambered might not be in anyone's best interest. Start low and work up watching for pressure signs. If you have 45 Colt handguns around the house you might even think about using nickle cases exclusively or some other manner to segregate these. I have my heavy Contender loads stored separately from other 45 Colt loads and labled for use in TC Contender only on all sides of the box. If something happens to me I don't want my kids or grandkids loading these in a SA Colt etc.  Good luck. RD



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Hey Hutch, whilst I can imagine your frustrations, a lil manners also go a long way.

"Give me a powder and load to make the 300s hit a 100yd target."

Sorry to say this mate, but to me it sounds very demanding, on this forum we strive to have a "front porch" attitude, we all have respect for each other, and the knowledge that is given, is free.

I am sorry if this offends you in any way, shape or form,

Just my thoughts,

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Those lever actions were, and as far as I know, are still basically designed to live within the standard .45 Colt cartrige's 14,000psi pressure limits. They do not have the strongest lock-up action in the world and I have every reason to doubt that they will appreciate ANY diet of 25,000psi Ruger/Contender ammo.

I wouldn't do it in my rifle, and won't reccomend you do it in yours.

You however are freely welcomed to do as you see prudent, best of luck to you. :)



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Sorry to have offended you Auz, but after working with your bunch in the mining industry I find it hard to believe that anyone there could ever be offended by anything said.

I guess I could have put a "Please" in front for the more sensitive, but to most people on this forum it would have been understood.



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Thank you for your help Rockydog, I will do the reading and consult with all the reloading manuals I can find.

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FJ Hutch wrote: I have just started to load bullets for my 45LC Winchester 92 and I thought I would use a heavy bullet to give better hitting power.... I went out to the rang and tried to sight in on a 100yd target... good luck with that.  I had the rear sight adjuster right out and still hit 16" low.  At 50yds I was good to go.

Give me a powder and load to make the 300s hit a 100yd target.

FredHutch@hotmail.com

I am reading this and getting the idea that you lowered the rear sight as much as possible?



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OldStuffer wrote: Those lever actions were, and as far as I know, are still basically designed to live within the standard .45 Colt cartrige's 14,000psi pressure limits. They do not have the strongest lock-up action in the world and I have every reason to doubt that they will appreciate ANY diet of 25,000psi Ruger/Contender ammo.

I wouldn't do it in my rifle, and won't reccomend you do it in yours.

You however are freely welcomed to do as you see prudent, best of luck to you. :)

Even older 1892s were pretty strong, if you recall the .38/40 and .44/40 WHV loads for them. You could call them ther original +P loads, for rifle use only. Of course, there were always not very bright and/or mistake prone people who used them in Colt single actions with not great results. Modern 92s are even stronger,. My biggest worry about high pressure .45 Colt loads would be accidently dropping them into a handgun designed for standard pressures.



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Yep, the rear site was flat on the receiver.



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Charley wrote:
OldStuffer wrote: Those lever actions were, and as far as I know, are still basically designed to live within the standard .45 Colt cartrige's 14,000psi pressure limits. They do not have the strongest lock-up action in the world and I have every reason to doubt that they will appreciate ANY diet of 25,000psi Ruger/Contender ammo.

I wouldn't do it in my rifle, and won't reccomend you do it in yours.

You however are freely welcomed to do as you see prudent, best of luck to you. :)

Even older 1892s were pretty strong, if you recall the .38/40 and .44/40 WHV loads for them. You could call them ther original +P loads, for rifle use only. Of course, there were always not very bright and/or mistake prone people who used them in Colt single actions with not great results. Modern 92s are even stronger,. My biggest worry about high pressure .45 Colt loads would be accidently dropping them into a handgun designed for standard pressures.

Mixing up with my SAA is another reason why I chose the 300gr bullet.



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Hutch, Wheezengeezer has a point. You need to raise the rear sight to make a gun shoot higher. With your cheek planted firmly on the stock if you raise the rear sight you will be looking over the top of the front sight. The only way for you to visually acquire the front sight is to raise the front of the barrel up until you can see it. This raises the impact point. RD



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Raise the rear sight up to at least half way.A 300 gr leaving the muzzle at 800 fps will be about 7 inches high at 50 yards for a 100 yard zero and still having about 750 fps.I will bet one of them will punch thru a deer.



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wheezengeezer wrote: Raise the rear sight up to at least half way.A 300 gr leaving the muzzle at 800 fps will be about 7 inches high at 50 yards for a 100 yard zero and still having about 750 fps.I will bet one of them will punch thru a deer.
Failed physics 101, Doh! 

I went out to the range with the new info you all have given me and now I raised the rear sight and was able to hit the 9 inch target... a couple in the middle and some around the edges.  Good enough for this cowboy.  I don’t kill animals any more, but it is fun hitting paper and if a moose, bear, elk or whatever steps out in front of me who knows, the primal instinct may take over.

 



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FJ Hutch wrote: I have just started to load bullets for my 45LC Winchester 92 and I thought I would use a heavy bullet to give better hitting power.... I went out to the rang and tried to sight in on a 100yd target... good luck with that.  I had the rear sight adjuster right out and still hit 16" low.  At 50yds I was good to go.

Give me a powder and load to make the 300s hit a 100yd target.

FredHutch@hotmail.com

If you were dead on at 50 yards and 16 inches low at 100 your bullet is leaving the barrel at about 750 fps.



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FJ Hutch wrote: wheezengeezer wrote: Raise the rear sight up to at least half way.A 300 gr leaving the muzzle at 800 fps will be about 7 inches high at 50 yards for a 100 yard zero and still having about 750 fps.I will bet one of them will punch thru a deer.
Failed physics 101, Doh! 

I went out to the range with the new info you all have given me and now I raised the rear sight and was able to hit the 9 inch target... a couple in the middle and some around the edges.  Good enough for this cowboy.  I don’t kill animals any more, but it is fun hitting paper and if a moose, bear, elk or whatever steps out in front of me who knows, the primal instinct may take over.

 


Did you buy the rifle used? The owners manual that came with it if it were new would tell you to raise the rear sight to raise the point of impact.

 Also I'm not sure where you would find load data for a SAA that would indicate using anywhere near the charge of Trailboss you're using with a 300 gr bullet.

As far as the primal instinct taking over sure do hope it's backed up by the proper permit to shoot the moose, bear, elk or whatever, and that the season is open....



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The 1892 action is just a 2/3 size 1886 action, they are very strong, likely as strong as the 88 and BLR actions.
Thousands were rebarreled and chambered to .44 mag, which has some loads at 40,000 psi.
My 1910 made is in good shape and I have loaded 240gr swc's at 1800fps with no problems, other than the trigger guard whacking my second finger.
In .45 LC, Lee shows 30,000 psi loads with H-110 doing 1500fps with a 250gr bullet and 1200fps with a 300gr bullet.
I would think using a jacketed bullet and trying a bit more would get at least 1800fps with a 250gr bullet.
If the lever revolution bullets are available in .452", they would reduce drop due to the better BC.

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Ranch 13 wrote: FJ Hutch wrote: wheezengeezer wrote: Raise the rear sight up to at least half way.A 300 gr leaving the muzzle at 800 fps will be about 7 inches high at 50 yards for a 100 yard zero and still having about 750 fps.I will bet one of them will punch thru a deer.
Failed physics 101, Doh! 

I went out to the range with the new info you all have given me and now I raised the rear sight and was able to hit the 9 inch target... a couple in the middle and some around the edges.  Good enough for this cowboy.  I don’t kill animals any more, but it is fun hitting paper and if a moose, bear, elk or whatever steps out in front of me who knows, the primal instinct may take over.

 


Did you buy the rifle used? The owners manual that came with it if it were new would tell you to raise the rear sight to raise the point of impact.

 Also I'm not sure where you would find load data for a SAA that would indicate using anywhere near the charge of Trailboss you're using with a 300 gr bullet.

As far as the primal instinct taking over sure do hope it's backed up by the proper permit to shoot the moose, bear, elk or whatever, and that the season is open....

It is a new rifle and I have black hair so I can shoot anything.



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Uhhuh....



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A Rossi? They are also chambered for the 454 Casull.



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Welcome FJ Hutch, We are glad to have you here at HB and we hope you enjoy our forum. We have a great group that lives for questions and input from our users and look forward to yours.

I load 45 Colt for my lever and pistols with 230g round flat nose lead with 5.0g of Unique for cowboy action and they are very good to 50 yards. They have plenty on hitting power to drop even the toughest popper target. To 100 yards same bullet and upwards of 7g of Unique. But I only shoot that in the rifle.

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