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Remington's Little 6mm or .244
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 Posted: Wed Nov 2nd, 2005 12:23 AM
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The 722 Remington in .244 Remington, appeared in  1955. The 722 had a 1-in-12 twist that stabilized bullets as heavy as 85 grains but was reported marginal with 100-grain spitzers. Winchester’s .243, which came along the same year, was cham­bered in barrels bored 1-in-10. Most hunters who bought 6mms, , wanted to shoot deer, not just ‘chucks and coyotes. Partly because the press claimed inadequate twist for heavy bullets in .244s and partly because Model 70s were available in .243, the Winchester round became more popular.


In 1963, with the introduction of its Model 700, Remington adopted a 1-in-9 twist in 6mm barrels and renamed the .244 the 6mm Remington. The round after being renamed the 6mm has done much better on the market and with the faster twist, shooting 100 gr bullets like the Winchester 243, making the 6mm a dual purpose round. The 6mm or 244 case is formed by necking down the 7mm Mauser to 24 cal. The 6mm is a much better round for the handloader because of the longer neck and the larger case, which will hold a few more grains of powder and will give about 100 fps more vel. over the 243 Win. The 6mm is a great whitetail cal when loaded with 85gr to 105 gr bullets out to 300 plus yards and one of the best long range varmint rounds with 70gr to 90gr bullets , out performing the 22 cal's when the wind is a major factor. The case is very easy to reload for and performs well with many different powders, like H-380, IMR 4350 , H4831, and Win 760 to just name a few. I have personally taken around 40 deer and more than 2000 groundhogs and a number of crows with the 6mm Remington. Most deer where taken with the 100 gr Hornady and the 85 gr Sierra BTHP'S . I have taken two whitetail with the 75 gr Sierra HP and one with the 80 gr Power-Lok HP Remington bullet. 99% of the groundhog where taken with the 75 gr Sierra HP and H-380. The biggest Mule Deer i have killed to date was taken at around 275 yards with the 100 Remington factory Cor'Lok , he only went about 20 yards before going down. Anyone who says the 6mm is to small for deer, has never hunted deer with this cal. or just can't shoot. The 6mm makes a great round for kids and ladies getting started into big game and varmint hunting, it has almost no recoil , is easy to learn to shoot well which makes it easy to get good bullet placement for quick one shot kills. My present 6mm is barreled with a number 3 contour SS Shilen barrel with the 1-12 twist and stamped 244 Rem. I prefer the 87 gr Hornady for deer and coyote these days with Winchester 760 being my favorite powder in this rifle. The rifle groups this load around 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch all day long. If you are looking for a flat shooting light recoiling deer and varmint rifle then look no futher than Remington little 6mm , it may just become your favorite varmint and deer slayer.




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I  only have about a year of experience with loading for the 6mm Remington.It started out as my father in laws rifle and I loaded for him until he decided he wanted another rifle and I acquired it in a trade.

My experience with this cartridge and Sierra 80 gr Blitz`s has been fantastic.The rifle loves IMR4320 and will shoot IMR4350 equally well.It is truly a sub moa rifle with just about every thing I have put in it up to 87 grain bullets.This particular rifle is stamped 244 Rem on the barrel and the twist is that of the older Remington`s.100 gr Factory Corelokts shot all over the paper when we were testing it when FIL first got it.Drop it down to 85 grain bullets and she`ll cut bullet holes with ease.

I have yet to kill a deer with mine so I can`t comment on its field savvy but I have high hopes for it and think this might truly be a round that convinces me 6mm`s have their place honestly as a dual purpose, medium game & varmint rig...
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I owned a 6mm heavy barrel 700 back in the 70's and we killed a number of crows and groundhogs with this rifle, it was one of the rifles we took to Wy shooting prairie dogs back in 77. This rifle wouldn't shoot most bulllets very well except the Speer 75 gr HP and IMR 3031. The rifle would shoot 1/4 inch groups all day long with this load. I have never had another 6mm Rem that was so particular about loads, with most rifle shooting just about anything well.:thumbs:



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As it happened, I didn't own a 6mm, but when a man I worked with asked me about a decent chambering for a dual purpose rifle I replied based on what it looked like on paper. 

He bought a Model 660 Remington and maybe two years later he bought something else(?) don't remember, but he wanted to sell the 6mm and I needed a temporary fill in while I was having a custom built, so I bought it from him.

My intention was to sell it when my new rig was ready, but I grew very attached to to it.  It had a versatility and a humble background and I just couldn't get rid of it, although at the time I had moved into specific purpose rifles.

Well, a lot of things happened in 1974, but the big event, for me was a burglary and suddenly I was completely disarmed.  My homeowners insurance was little more than a bad joke and money was tight so I bought my first 220 Swift, a Ruger 77 and a Star PD 45, which was supposed to replace my Combat Commander.

I have owned a 220 Swift ever since, the two I own were probably made the same first year of manufacture(?) but back then, it didn't take long before I added a used Model 600 Remington in 6mm to my little arsenal.

I owned a heavy barrel 6mm that I shot the barrel out and rebarreled in 25'06Ackley, so I have had a total of 3 over the last thirty years, or so.  Enough to form an opinion, I'd say? 

What I have always said is that a 6mm Remington would be my last gun, if I ever fell on hard times and had to sell off the entire contents of my safe.  It is that handy.

And, I took it to Africa, just as a backup, intending it for jackals and caracal but wound up using it on every head of game; didn't kill a thing with my 300WinMag!

A good 6mm Remington,  has style.  An intelligent choice, as far as I'm concerned.

Good hunting.  LB

PS of all the guns I had stolen back in 1974, the only thing that ever turned up was my Combat Commander TEN years later.  I was told, at the time, and believe it to be true, that the long guns, most likely went to Mexico.  They took the 45 from a Mexican National down on the border, in National City.



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I would have figured more shooters on this forum used the 6mm now or in the past. Just thinking out loud or with the Keyboard. :confused:



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Bea & Fella's;

I've got a 6mm Rem & dearly love it.  However, I missed the cartridge of the month for November due to my father's health.  He suffered a heart attack & subsequently passed on in November.  I've been involved with settling the estate & so on.  So here it is, early January & I'm just catching up.

My 6mm is on a Remington 788 LHB.  The rifle has had a history, I can tell you that.  I don't know all the details, but they are indeed sordid.  The gun had been abused as a child.  When I bought it, the owner swore blind it was highly accurate, but I looked it over & knew better.  He knew better too, so we finally agreed upon a reasonable price for what I got. 

The length of pull  had been shortened & the barrel cut.  He didn't know who had done it he told me.  He got it in Arizona at a show & bought it for his wife because it had been minimized.  The barrel had been cut with a bandsaw, and not even at a true 90 degree angle.  Yeah, it was accurate - as a 12 guage that didn't shoot particularly well.  Interestingly enough, it has had a patch of suede leather inletted into the wrist of the stock on the left side, & that's fairly nicely done.  The stock showed that it had had the barrel free floated, & then acu-glassed up again, as nothing would work with the crown, or lack of, being the way it was.

When I went to clean the gun & go through it, it took some careful work with a 2 lb. dead blow hammer to get the barreled action out of the stock.  When I stipped the bolt, I even found release agent in there!  Pity it didn't just get put where it was needed.  So, having pulled the action, I gave it to a 'smith I trust & had him give it an 11 degree target crown.  When I got that back, I floated the barrel again & went ammo testing. 

It had come with 30 loaded rounds & 30 brass, all R-P, with the load data for this gnat's ass shooter.  Glad I don't live in his neighborhood, you could fly a Piper Cub up that gnat's ass & not sweat a clean pass.  BIG bugs where he lives. 

Long story short, it now likes Winchester brass, 46 grains of IMR4350, 75 grain Hornady V-Max bullets, CCI 200 primers, and an OAL of 2.825.  I found OAL to be largest factor in accuracy, with powder significant, but a distant second to OAL.  Velocity is not up there, first I'm dealing with an 18.5" barrel, & this is a mild load.  I'm getting 3060 over my 35P, but very nice accuracy.  In fact, I'm really surprised by the accuracy because the glass is an utterly pedestrian first year of production Weaver V-9

This is my primary coyote huntin' gun, not a target gun.  I wish it were a little lighter, but I'm not anxious to screw around with what works so nicely for me in the accuracy department.

However, due to a number of factors, in 2004 it became my deer rifle.  I took two deer with it, one mule & one whitetail.  Both dropped like they were slapped down by the hand of God.  Both shots were in the 150 -175 yard range.  I used the 90 grain Speer spitzer bullet, because of the recommendation in the Speer #13 manual.  Seems they built that bullet extra tough for use in the old .244.  As was mentioned above, the .244 won't stabilize much of anything above 90 grains.  So Speer built this one specifically to kill deer with.  Light enough to be accurate & tough enough to do the job.  Both my shots drilled solid bone in the shoulder area & the bullets penetrated.  Both exited the far side of the animal.  Neither animal took a single step.

Winchester brass, CCI200 primers, Speer 90 gr spitzer, and 49 grains of RL19.  This has a book velocity of 3185 with a 22" barrel.  This load has a large difference in POI from the coyote load.  When I was able to chrono it in the summer of 2005, it had a heavy bolt lift, but no other overt signs of high pressure.  However, it chrono'd over 3200 fps, over 150 fps faster than the coyote load.  Caution, this load is HOT.

All-in-all, I'm very happy with the gun, and it's happy to be in a good home.  Bea, we've got to get together & compare notes on LHB's

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:lol:Nice forum.... allow me to comment about this wonderful little jewel of a caliber.  I have owned my 6mm for about 15 years and did not know anything about handloads until about 6 years ago. 

My favorite load is a 65 grain Hornady V-Max pushed with 49 grains of H4831SC, I know a slow burner for this rifle, however I could make a 400 yard prarie dog shot pretty regular with less than 1/4 inch groups.  I have also been rather successful with an 85 Grain BarnesX with 46.5 grains of the same powder.  This year I tried something new again for deer season, which consisted of an 85 grain Speer boattail with 46grains of 4831 again and increased my group up to about 7/8 of an inch.

I have hunted with guys in the past who love their "big" magnums and actually talked me into buying a .338 Winchester Mag.  They refer to my 6 as a BB gun.  Imagine their heads turning and their attitudes being turned when I took this muley on Public Property at 375 yards with about a 15 MPH crosswind.

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Hey TR..Glad you found us bud.Your uncle told me on the phone the other day he was gonna let you know where we hang out.:thumbs:
That is a super nice mule deer buck TR.....:thumbs:
Again,welcome to the board and hope you enjoy the place.You`ll find a  LOT of 6mm/244 Rem fans around here..:wink::thumbs:
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I've owned a Rem. 700 ADL 6MM since 1971 and have reloaded for it from the beginning. It was my first centerfire rifle and it has shot everything from crow, fox, deer, coyotes and even hedge apples. I now it's had over 10,000 rounds through it and it still shoots under an inch at 100. This gun would be one of the last guns I would want to part with, it's got too many memories attached to it.  



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Gene thanks for the Welcome, I sent my uncle a picture of that buck in the mail and even he was impressed.  I will see you around on this forum, it is one hell of a sight that I have let some of my buddies know about.



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Thats great stuff TR..Tell em all to join us over here for some good handloading and hunting discussion.Your uncle Mike is supposed to bring his computer over for me to do some work on so he can get back up and running.He has seen my 6mm but hasn`t seen it shoot yet.Im saving that for when he has his wallet handy..:lol:I think he`d like the site to.Your always welcome at this board bud,glad ya like it and hope you enjoy the place.:thumbs:
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I have some 90 grain boattails I am looking to load - unfortunately the charge table that came with my lee classic loader lists Nobel Rifle No.1 and Nobel Rifle No.0 for 90 grain loads....which I cannot find anywhere!

It also lists Norma 204; which isnt carried by any of the stores in my area (Hampton Roads, VA area)...

Anyone know if there any equivalent powders I could use?

I dont even have a scale; just plan on using the lee powder measure 167 that came with my Lee . 

Could I just use IMR 4350? My charge tabe lists that powder for 100 to 105 grain bullets; and the caution at the bottom of the charge table reads:"

" Do not use bullets heavier than listed for each type of powder as they will cause dangerous pressures"

Is it safe for me to use the 167 measure for 90 grain bullets with IMR 4350?

 

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achijusan wrote:
I have some 90 grain boattails I am looking to load - unfortunately the charge table that came with my lee classic loader lists Nobel Rifle No.1 and Nobel Rifle No.0 for 90 grain loads....which I cannot find anywhere!

It also lists Norma 204; which isnt carried by any of the stores in my area (Hampton Roads, VA area)...

Anyone know if there any equivalent powders I could use?

I dont even have a scale; just plan on using the lee powder measure 167 that came with my Lee . 

Could I just use IMR 4350? My charge tabe lists that powder for 100 to 105 grain bullets; and the caution at the bottom of the charge table reads:"

" Do not use bullets heavier than listed for each type of powder as they will cause dangerous pressures"

Is it safe for me to use the 167 measure for 90 grain bullets with IMR 4350?

 

Thanks!!


ummm i'm pretty sure you mean dipper 1.67 cc ????? or 1.6 cc ??? ( yeah in this case the decimal point is very important ) here's a link to lee's dipper capacity chart

http://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/Dippers.pdf

you'll actually have to look at loading data for this caliber ( lots online at every powder manufacturer's web site ) and correlate with the chart in the above link , the best bet is indeed to weigh what ever a dipper throws , while lee tries very hard to make sure that no powder throws more than listed ( they usually throw a lil less ) weighing one is a smart idea



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achi;

Speer makes a very good 90 grain hunting bullet in 6mm, but it's not a boattail. And, sometimes the boats don't behave exactly like a flat-base bullet does when reloading pressures are accounted for. Also, since you don't know who made the bullets you have, it's time to start at the bottom & work up. Different jacket thickness, hardness, and the lead alloy underneath the jacket can all affect how easily, or not, the bullet slides down the barrel and therefore the pressure it takes to push it.

Speer publishes the following starting loads for their 90gr spitzer in #14: AA4350 44.0 grains @ 2852 fps, H4350 43.0 grains @ 2821 fps, and IMR4350 42.0 grains @ 2858 fps.

I'd find somebody with a reliable scale, dip several examples of these powders, and check your dip weight against the book data. Better yet, digital scales are getting to be very reasonable in price these days, buy one. See Midway USA dot com, they'll have several examples to show you.

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