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Survival 101.2
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 Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2012 11:40 AM
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The title of this diatribe might seem odd but consider that I used Survival 101 and Survival 101.1 on another board, which in turn was transferred over to this board, the title almost makes sense.

 

Frank Herbert wrote some of the most prophetic words ever heard for the Survivalists.   “Fear is the mind killer.”  Talk to anyone who has experience in Emergency situations and they will tell you that a person wrapped in the mantle of fear cannot be reasoned with.  As with a drowning man will drown his rescuer due too fear.

 

How many reading this can reach out and pick up a handgun, rifle, shotgun, or even a large bladed weapon from their chair?  I know, I’ve heard all the reasons in the world for such a thing.  I’m being careful.  I’m just being cautious.  And many more.  Hold that thought.

 

I’ve rummaged through the board, reading and rereading many of the threads and I doubt anyone could honestly say the majority of folks here do not have a solid grasp of the mechanical aspects of survival.  I can only hope to add a twist here and there that someone might have missed.  Although I seriously doubt it.

 

But I was invited here not so much for my mechanical knowledge, but for the offbeat way I look at the world.  Oh……sorry (Name Deleted), you actually didn’t invite me here.  The invitation goes back many years.  I was just too busy with other projects to pay much attention to another one.

 

Back to the original concept of this thread. 

 

Debate this thought amongst yourselves all you desire, but from my standpoint, many here confuse the mechanical readiness of survival with the mental readiness.  Having a two (2) years supply of groceries, along with two (2) dozen rifles, shotguns and pistols, and three (3) bazillion rounds of ammo for each only means you packed for the trip.

 

A positive mental attitude is not something myself or anyone else can impart with such a medium of communication.  Mostly because no two (2) people are the same.  Each have their own fears which impede the process.

 

But I can say this without guilt.  If You Cannot Act On a Problem, Then Why Waste Effort And Energy Worrying About It?   Ok.. Let me be a tad more specific here.  If a situation is outside of your control, then why waste effort on it?  Certainly, at times,  you can make plans to ease it’s effect on you, but save the ulcers for things that are inside your control, yet are giving you a migraine.

 

I know, I might be talking in circles again, but that’s ok…….I’m not done with this thread yet.

 

So, let’s take an internal test.  Each person can play along as they wish. 

 

Take all those weapons and lock them up.  Put them out of reach, even for an evening.  If you can set in your easy chair for one evening without being able to reach out and destroy those mythical black dressed invaders sliding down ropes from those evil black helicopters, and feel defenseless, then you do not have a proper survival mental attitude yet.

 

Lie to me, lie to the board, but NEVER lie to yourself.

 

FYI……..I locked up my guns and knives many years ago.  And I have never felt defenseless. 

 

2 Jun 2007

Just Waiting For Nothing….

 



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 Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2012 05:03 PM
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Mort, you can have all the training and fitness of youth working for you, but us olde phartes can't depend on that to get us out of trouble. Arms to hand fix that fraction of the question you asked. Oldies, I think, tend to be less apt to panic, since there has been enough exposure to out of the ordinary situations to allow thoughtful reaction rather than running in circles shouting about the sky falling. That said, you are absolutely correct about mindset.

There's a world of difference between a loud t-storm or your garage on fire and someone storming your front door.



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 Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2012 09:19 PM
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ghrit.....

I'm not that far from retiring a second time...

And the Doc at the VA chewed my arse big time today cause of my lab work.

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with youth...

Last edited on Tue Oct 16th, 2012 09:19 PM by Mortis



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 Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2012 09:48 PM
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Training figures heavily, yes? Mindset moreso, thus spake me, and maybe me only.



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Humans in general are never defenseless
Dont Believe me?
Go find a real martial artist - and not one of those ones who paid for their belt.

i once met a man whose name was Doctor Ashida. He fought for the Japanese army in WWII, and his job was to go into china and kill everyone he saw. now i may not agree with his mission, but i do see that he had a lot of practice.
after the war he was asked by the Americans how he managed to kill so many people seeing that he could not possibly bring enough ammo into the field. he told the three officers to draw their weapons and try to shoot him. they triangulated him as he shoulder rolled behind the first, then he managed to use the first officers gun to "Dispatch" the other two (this was only for training - he didnt hurt the officers)
after the war he became a world class judo player, and served as an Olympic judge in the 80s before becoming a professor of psychology and Judo at Brockport State College in NY
Dr ashida trained with his students well into his 80's and was known to throw and be thrown well into his later years


now not to go off on too much of a tangent - but your hands your fists and most importantly your brain are weapons which are most effective in any situation reguardless of laws limiting what you can hold in them



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Humans in general are never defenseless
Dont Believe me?
Go find a real martial artist - and not one of those ones who paid for their belt.

i once met a man whose name was Doctor Ashida. He fought for the Japanese army in WWII, and his job was to go into china and kill everyone he saw. now i may not agree with his mission, but i do see that he had a lot of practice.
after the war he was asked by the Americans how he managed to kill so many people seeing that he could not possibly bring enough ammo into the field. he told the three officers to draw their weapons and try to shoot him. they triangulated him as he shoulder rolled behind the first, then he managed to use the first officers gun to "Dispatch" the other two (this was only for training - he didnt hurt the officers)
after the war he became a world class judo player, and served as an Olympic judge in the 80s before becoming a professor of psychology and Judo at Brockport State College in NY
Dr ashida trained with his students well into his 80's and was known to throw and be thrown well into his later years


now not to go off on too much of a tangent - but your hands your fists and most importantly your brain are weapons which are most effective in any situation reguardless of laws limiting what you can hold in them



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Mortis you bring the point to a head like few I have ever known.
Again you hit the nail on the head.
When I taught SAR and the survival portion. We would ask what it the 1 thing you need to survive. We always had the answer of water, fire and food. But I have had true answers like a rope braided from the hair of that persons head! Go figure. Some came up with a mental attitude they would survive.

Worry? If we worry about one thing we have tunnel vision. Then we miss the other things in our life that can take us out.

So true that if you thing having a gun, knife or bat always in arms reach protests you then you have most likely lost before it starts.

First react.
Second escape.
Third evasion should be your 1st choice or defense if no further escape or evasion is possible.

Knowledge, training and PRACTICE, PRACTICE and PRACTICE!



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