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Zombies Aren't The Problem
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 Posted: Wed Nov 26th, 2014 11:12 AM
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I firmly believe anyone that has waited until now to stock up on components and doesn't have a thousand minimum rounds already loaded for each gun they own has been asleep at the wheel. This has been coming for years and in our great leaders efforts to set a record for the most executive orders ever written in a month one of them will make the current shortage days we will wish for. Its gun control without changing any laws. Most folks in my shooting club have been stocking up for the last four years and hiding the components, loaded ammo and firearms all over the mountains. The folks in Washington on both sides of the isle want the people to be unable to do much more than a little home defense. Call me crazy but I learned to read between the lines long ago. JMHO



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I would like to be educated a little more on this subject of SHTF and how could I prepare for it. Could you paint a picture of how it will go down exactly? Is the government going to nuke us? Why would they want to attack regular civilians? Why would the military back them up? I don't see how could my trusty Mosin Nagat stop a nuke drop if the government wanted to wipe me out, or how it will stop a tank, or an AH64, or 8-12 heavily armed squad of soldiers knocking on my door. If regular foot soldiers gave me enough time to grab my gun and fire at them before they took me out, how can I shoot 1k rounds at them safely? I would have to reload some mags, I don't have 34 AR15 mags or any gun mags.

But why would they come after us? I would have to live in a hidden bunker, in the middle of nowhere, to survive a modern genocide by the world strongest nation.

(Ps: not trying to poke at any beehive here, just trying to understand.)

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fmax wrote:
I would like to be educated a little more on this subject of SHTF and how could I prepare for it. Could you paint a picture of how it will go down exactly? Is the government going to nuke us? Why would they want to attack regular civilians? Why would the military back them up? I don't see how could my trusty Mosin Nagat stop a nuke drop if the government wanted to wipe me out, or how it will stop a tank, or an AH64, or 8-12 heavily armed squad of soldiers knocking on my door. If regular foot soldiers gave me enough time to grab my gun and fire at them before they took me out, how can I shoot 1k rounds at them safely? I would have to reload some mags, I don't have 34 AR15 mags or any gun mags.

But why would they come after us? I would have to live in a hidden bunker, in the middle of nowhere, to survive a modern genocide by the world strongest nation.

(Ps: not trying to poke at any beehive here, just trying to understand.)


You've answered you own questions, you wouldn't last long, with your level of awareness.



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Lets see, Once upon a time... What and how, did it happen in Germany? Cambodia? Iraq? China? Russia? Angola? and a few others. It wasn't armed outsiders that killed millions of unarmed citizens, it was the people in power at the time. Oh they all had an excuse why and they all had an "or else" for those reluctant to go along.

A lot of people think it is coming however no one knows When or How.. If anarchy and chaos do happen, for any reason, those that live in the cities and hi-density suburbs are more at risk to SHTF than those out in the countryside.

SHTF could be caused by almost anything, from a natural disaster (hurricane, flood, earthquake, meteor strike) to an accident (truck of chlorine gas turning over, power plant meltdown, fireworks plant blowing up) or a black swan event such as Furguson getting out of hand and spreading countrywide to something instigated by a power/control hungry administration.

You might not have to submit to uniformed authority - it might be MS or other gangs or just plain ol mobs with ball bats looking for some loot.

But then you could say it will never happen here... not worry about it and end up being right.

Me?, I'll just be a boy scout.

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Look whats happening right now. They have the Gin machine working overtime to get blacks and whites at each others throats.
It does not take a genius to figure out what will happen if they get the blacks riled up enough to start rioting in a white neighborhood.
Now they just found a use for those 2000 afv's and a billion rounds. Would also suspend the constitution and declare martial law. Then they can round up all our guns.

Not that far fetched.



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The situation could really escalate if half the cops in NY City got the "blue flu" to show their displeasure with the mayor not backing them. I wonder how quickly the looting would start if certain people knew their would be little to no police response? If you haven't heard them here is the unions take on the mayors comments:

http://observer.com/2014/08/police-union-head-bill-de-blasio-leaving-cops-in-fear/



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RD got a good point about NY and the new Mayor
the man in D. C.

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with all the solutions !!!!!!!!!!!

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Silvertip wrote:
Lets see, Once upon a time... What and how, did it happen in Germany? Cambodia? Iraq? China? Russia? Angola? and a few others. It wasn't armed outsiders that killed millions of unarmed citizens

In those cases it was either oppression against a ethnic group, a certain religion or political background. That stuff doesn't happen overnight, all the big genocide that happened from those countries came after big political changes and years of war against other countries, those countries were politically AND financially unstable, paving the way for a certain ruler to rally the army against a certain group of people which they blamed for the failures of their country.

The rebellions that is going around the country right now is mild compared to previous ones(1992 LA? Too many to list), but lets say it escalates to a point where the military has to take over NY for example, because the police and protesters are disregarding the law and full out fighting in the streets. If you live in NY and the army is coming to take over, and they have executive order to disarm all residents of NY, with full modern era military power, I'm talking about tanks rolling down the streets, squads knocking on doors, how am I supposed to hold my ground against that?

I am not talking about SHTF a hurricane passing by and I gotta last a month without leaving my house, that is a possible scenario that I am very aware of and prepared for. The government trying to kill me or throw me in a concentration camp is something I'm still trying to understand if is something real enough and something possible to prepare, if it does happen, what can we do about it aside from trying to prevent it?



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What can a small percentage do against a superpower?


From Sipsey Street: During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came. Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders' Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation. The Three Percent today are gun owners who will not disarm, will not compromise and will no longer back up at the passage of the next gun control act. Three Percenters say quite explicitly that we will not obey any futher circumscription of our traditional liberties and will defend ourselves if attacked. We intend to maintain our God-given natural rights to liberty and property, and that means most especially the right to keep and bear arms. Thus, we are committed to the restoration of the Founders' Republic, and are willing to fight, die and, if forced by any would-be oppressor, to kill in the defense of ourselves and the Constitution that we all took an oath to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic. We are the people that the collectivists who now control the government should leave alone if they wish to continue unfettered oxygen consumption. We are the Three Percent. Attempt to further oppress us at your peril. To put it bluntly, leave us the hell alone. Or, if you feel froggy, go ahead AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.

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fmax wrote: Silvertip wrote:
Lets see, Once upon a time... What and how, did it happen in Germany? Cambodia? Iraq? China? Russia? Angola? and a few others. It wasn't armed outsiders that killed millions of unarmed citizens

In those cases it was either oppression against a ethnic group, a certain religion or political background. That stuff doesn't happen overnight, all the big genocide that happened from those countries came after big political changes and years of war against other countries, those countries were politically AND financially unstable, paving the way for a certain ruler to rally the army against a certain group of people which they blamed for the failures of their country.

The rebellions that is going around the country right now is mild compared to previous ones(1992 LA? Too many to list), but lets say it escalates to a point where the military has to take over NY for example, because the police and protesters are disregarding the law and full out fighting in the streets. If you live in NY and the army is coming to take over, and they have executive order to disarm all residents of NY, with full modern era military power, I'm talking about tanks rolling down the streets, squads knocking on doors, how am I supposed to hold my ground against that?

I am not talking about SHTF a hurricane passing by and I gotta last a month without leaving my house, that is a possible scenario that I am very aware of and prepared for. The government trying to kill me or throw me in a concentration camp is something I'm still trying to understand if is something real enough and something possible to prepare, if it does happen, what can we do about it aside from trying to prevent it?

In my mind, the most likely SHTF scenario is the EBT system failing.
It would not take long. maybe 2 hours before the 1st riots and looting.
With in two weeks the cities would run out of food. No one is going to deliver any thing just to have it looted.
After a month... Well what do you think would happen with a few million hungry, pissed off people?



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fmax wrote:
Silvertip wrote:
Lets see, Once upon a time... What and how, did it happen in Germany? Cambodia? Iraq? China? Russia? Angola? and a few others. It wasn't armed outsiders that killed millions of unarmed citizens

In those cases it was either oppression against a ethnic group, a certain religion or political background. That stuff doesn't happen overnight, all the big genocide that happened from those countries came after big political changes and years of war against other countries, those countries were politically AND financially unstable, paving the way for a certain ruler to rally the army against a certain group of people which they blamed for the failures of their country.

The rebellions that is going around the country right now is mild compared to previous ones(1992 LA? Too many to list), but lets say it escalates to a point where the military has to take over NY for example, because the police and protesters are disregarding the law and full out fighting in the streets. If you live in NY and the army is coming to take over, and they have executive order to disarm all residents of NY, with full modern era military power, I'm talking about tanks rolling down the streets, squads knocking on doors, how am I supposed to hold my ground against that?

I am not talking about SHTF a hurricane passing by and I gotta last a month without leaving my house, that is a possible scenario that I am very aware of and prepared for. The government trying to kill me or throw me in a concentration camp is something I'm still trying to understand if is something real enough and something possible to prepare, if it does happen, what can we do about it aside from trying to prevent it?
I too think prepping, with the sole intent of surviving/fighting a tyrannic government is a bit over the top. However, that does not mean it is out of the cards. I think one's preps should be flexible enough to allow one to morph into whatever form TSHTF takes. This means, if I live in a hurricane zone, I prep not only on my permanent property, I make some arrangement for prep at a bug out location. Hurricanes generally come with advance warning, and if one choose to not weather the storm, you have the means to provide your basics while away from home (you won't always be able to take it with you)

A hostile government takeover is going to be just that, hostile, and many are not going to go quietly into that dark night. Make some friends. Look at Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Bosnia, every one of them defined by civilians fighting a government. In those times one gets four choices, join the government, join the rebels, become a refugee, die in the cross fire; which may happen anyway. The question really is what do you want your life to buy. Even if they come to your door, and you go out in a blaze of glory so to speak, many thousands of others are going to do the same. If a million men take another million with them, that's one hell of a statement.

Also, don't think for a moment that all who are in the armed forces are going to blindly follow orders. A very large portion of our men in uniform understand their oath is to the Constitution not to the government.

Take a close look a Ferguson. I don't know your age, but understand that same kind of violent mob crap happened in Watts, Detroit and Chicago in the late 1960's, it happened again in L.A. after the Rodney King verdict, it's happening now in New York, and again in L.A. Think it won't happen where you live? How many rounds of ammo do you want to have on hand to defend your home? Think those same rounds can't be used to defeat a tyrant?

No, for a moment I wouldn't prep solely to fight a hostile government, but not for a moment do I think that those preps don't take me a step close to being able to do so if the need arises.

Kent State circa 1970. National Guard unit opened fire on war protestors. 5 died, several of whom were not even involved in the protest. If that happened in Ferguson, how fast would the situation devolve into a shooting contest between the goblins, the NG, local police forces and the general population. Not fear mongering, just asking, if it occurred where you live, could you survive it? Could your family?



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What can a small percentage do against a superpower?


From Sipsey Street: During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came. Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders' Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation. The Three Percent today are gun owners who will not disarm, will not compromise and will no longer back up at the passage of the next gun control act. Three Percenters say quite explicitly that we will not obey any futher circumscription of our traditional liberties and will defend ourselves if attacked. We intend to maintain our God-given natural rights to liberty and property, and that means most especially the right to keep and bear arms. Thus, we are committed to the restoration of the Founders' Republic, and are willing to fight, die and, if forced by any would-be oppressor, to kill in the defense of ourselves and the Constitution that we all took an oath to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic. We are the people that the collectivists who now control the government should leave alone if they wish to continue unfettered oxygen consumption. We are the Three Percent. Attempt to further oppress us at your peril. To put it bluntly, leave us the hell alone. Or, if you feel froggy, go ahead AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.


Well said!
Folks need to also realize the Revolution did not start over tea but when the Brittish tried to disarm us.



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I'm late to this thread but here is my 2cents
My personal belief is it'll will come as an economic crisis, our country is 18 trillion dollars in debt that does not include the 220 trillion dollars in unfunded liability we shoulder also, china owns us lock stock and barrel, there are more people on government assistance than ever before, some stats say that there are more people on welfare than there are people working and paying there own way, now what happens if for what ever reason our financial system collapsed? All those people unable to get food, trucking companies can't get fuel, In just two days the bulk of the people in this country would lose their mind! They have no survival skills at all, the veneer of society would sluff off fast! The feds would probably sit it out for about a week then move in under the pretext of restoring order, martial law would be declared but getting control of even one major metropolitan area would require an army, your larger more liberal cities wouldn't have near the firearms your "flyover" cities and towns have, so the major cities would be enslaved first, then taking middle America would be the most difficult! This is where the real fight for the United States we all use to know will take place!
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am slowly coming up to speed and on line for opening day !!!! OK and yah right !!!



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To me, zombie, is a simile for starving city dweller on government assistance when the checks stop coming. They won't be slow and stumbling and they will be armed. The cities will burn. The rural areas will be killing fields.

In the beginning the gubmint is not going to attack us. They WILL institute marshal law and it WILL be the end of our constitutional republic for a long time and most likely permanently. A couple years on, the 'gubmint' ( read military dictatorship ) will go into the rural areas to pacify the 3 percent which will have become the 25% ( of country people ) by that time.

To my mind, if I happen to be alive at that time, the best recourse will be to surrender the arms and ammunition I have not hidden in the hills and play nice. The time for conspiracy and organizing the resistance will have arrived. We already know American plutocrats and their gubmint don't know how to win against a guerrilla force. We will have a chance.

But it will be the drones that will be our biggest problem. Much of the military will not only refuse to turn their guns on fellow citizens but will join us. However a thug in a basement room at the pentagon can direct a drone with irresistible force and massive killing power to strike anywhere on earth. The deepest cave will not protect. They will just collapse it. A few dozen of these thugs is all they will need. And as well, every 'rebel' group will be infiltrated with informants.

So in summary. It is and it is not really the gubmint we have to fear It is the people that the gubmint has rendered dependent and uneducated. Even debauched and savage. These will be the bullet catchers and cannon fodder thrown at us that we must first face. But after, it WILL be the gubmint ( a dictatorial cabal actually ) that we will face.

Will this ever happen? The utterances of Jesus of Nazareth, the Apostles who wrote books in the New Testament and most of the Old Testament prophets say it will.

But that does not mean or instruct that we are to lay down and take it. For me, I advocate secession NOW. I believed in secession before Obama was ever elected. This ain't America any more. We are a subjugated people ruled by plutocrats steeped in ivy league thinking and drenched in the power hunger that comes from living in Washington DC. The capital of this nation should be in Wichita, Kansas or Oklahoma City.



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What I write here made me sick, I took a detour after work Wednesday, over 100 miles out in the middle of nowhere.
Hiway 36 in Central Utah.
Driving along in the place I figured one could go and get away from it all, was a pole on the South side of the road, with a Solar Panel and a 360 degree camera.

The things I have seen in my life ...............
I don't dare talk about it.

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knobster wrote: CenterPoint wrote: 2 words:
Mosin Nagant

for when you want to punch a fist sized hole in something and light it on fire all at the same time.

i took mine out a few weeks ago
i managed to shoot al the way through a 3' steel plow - the solid cores of the mil surp ammo just punches through.
also seen videos on youtube of it punching through grade 8 bullet proof glass on the seccond try

Sweet!  I bought one of those babies a few years ago.  I've only shot paper targets with it though..
Try ductile iron manhole covers.  Lovely craters.



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You say Zombies aren't the problem,
Chuck Schumer
Piers Morgan
Joy Behar
They sound like Zombies to me.



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If you look at were we are today compared to were the country was at in the 50's and 60's.
We are not the same country.

Back in the old days our enemy was easy to see. They believed they could take over countries with force and popular uprisings.
As wars in Korea and Vietnam proved. Thats a very costly operation and does not work.

We some how think that since the cold war is over that Communism has been defeated.
And that may be true to an extent. But the Socialist have not.
They just are not overt about their actions any more. They know that they cant force a take over of the USA overtly.
We are (were) just too darn self reliant.

They changed tactics. Their goals have been to rot from with in and that they will take power in small incremental steps. They will breed out the power of the USA and leave a weak soft shell.

What was needed to accomplish these goals?

#1 Gain control of higher education    Check
#2 Gain control of the young via primary education    Check
#3 Infiltrate the bureaucracy gain de facto control of Government agencies.  Check
#4 gain control of the media.  Mostly a check.
#5 Instigate over use of our social welfare system. This is our Achilles heel. Promote the over use of ALL systems available. Our system can not support maximum social welfare usage. It will crash from the strain.  Getting there.

Other goals they needed are the break up of the American power base. The family being high on the list. Our 50% divorce rate should tell you were we are.
They also need to kill off God in all things. Take the power from him and give it to the state.

They have more bullet points. But the ultimate goal is to crash from with in. There by creating the climate that they can have that popular uprising they need to take full power.


Is it working???

Just because Joseph McCarthy over reacted and destroyed our defense. Does not mean he was wrong and what he said was happening was not happening.
The witch hunt he was running to expose Communist will eventually be run in reverse.
 


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pretty sure the government can't even handle a Katrina event much less 2 or 10 major riots. I really don't care how much ammo they do or don't buy

zombies? think pandemic.. that is most likely in any case. war? sure.. probly....

worst case scenario is economic collapse. everyone still alive and fighting over the scraps. better 40-90% of the population is dead from pandemic or war. None of these things is pleasant. even highly skilled and motivated people will be seriously PTSD in short order...

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