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Reloading data for 140 gn Nosler E-tip in cal. 7 x 64 Brenneke
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 Posted: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 04:21 PM
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"I am no friend of that hard kicking caliber with its noise at a sound level that hurts my ears."

Paul, that reminds me of a similar situation back in 1973. I was living in Nevada at the time and the best hunting was up on Mount Lewis for Mule Deer. At that time I owned only one rifle for hunting a boogered up 1903A3 Springfield that weighed close to 10 pounds. At that time I was a heavy chain smoker, averaging three packs a cigarets a day, usully a couple of cheap cigars and a couple of pipefuls of Borkum Riff tobacco in between. Why I never came down with cancer is something I'll never figure out. What is more amazing is one day in 1975 I quit cold turkey. So what dos this have to with your comment? In 1973 I decided I would not carry tht havy rifle hunting anymore. I was at the local hardware store in that small town I was living in and there was a Remington M660. What an ugly rifle. It's one redeeming factor was it was light weight. Caliber was the .308 Win., a round I had little respect for at that time.
:shameon: So, I buy the rifle, a scope and mounts, and a couple of boxed of 150 grain ammo and had out to the gravel pit where I did my shooting. WOW! That rifle kicked worse than an angry mule. In trying to master the beast I developed a very nasty flinch. For my birthday that year, my kids got me a set of those muff type hearing protecters. I'd never used anything more than a couple of cotton balls to attenuate the report of the rifle. I went to the pit to try and show that rifle who was boss as hunting season was only a month and a half away, put on the muffs and at the first shot? Hey! Where did the kick go? It didn't me very long to get rid of the flinch. I'm just wondering if better hearing protection might help aleviating the apparent recoil which I think might be accentuated by the muzzle blast.
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 Posted: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 05:11 PM
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I already ruined part of my hearing, there is a sound level I am almost completely deaf for; I have a very nice old carriage clock on the writing desk that chimes the hours and half hours, I only do hear the click from the hammer falling on the bell and can hear it tick.
That dirty sharp noise of a 7x64 even makes it through my ear protection!

Some decades agoo it was High-fashion in Germany to shoot a rifle in that caliber, now they are favoring the good old 8x57JS, the .308 and the 30-06, all rounds which have given proof of perfect usability for many years.
I myself will stay with the .308W; what I cannot do with it, I will not attempt to try either.



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 Posted: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 05:24 PM
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I too have serious hearing loss in the high frequency range. These days I use plugs and muffs together to save what little I have left. :sad: We older guys just didn't know any better way back when and to us, hearing protection was a couple of cotton balls shoved into the ears, that is if we happened to have any. Now they say the even with uffs and plugs, some of the damaging sound vibrattions actully travel through the stock into the cheekbone and then into the ear causing damage. I read that in an American Rifleman a few years back, IIRC. Guess we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. When I hunt these days I wear a pair of the lighter weight muffs with sound capability turned on and use them like hearing aids. Works pretty good, I can actually hear birds chirping and deer walking about. Then, if I have to shoot something, my ears have some protection. I plan to shoot and hunt till the day I croak. :thumbs:
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Same here Paul, must be in the Name:wink:
I was in the army and there was no hearing protection at all, even we at the artillery had none.
What we did was sticking the filter of a cigarette in our ears and that was it!
Now i have a pair of Peltor electrinic earmuffs which I also use as a hearing aid just like you.
just using earplugs does not work because part of the vibrations are conducted by the stock and a very large part by the scull bone around the ears.



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"just using earplugs does not work because part of the vibrations are conducted by the stock and a very large part by the scull bone around the ears."

That's why I use both at the same time. Really quites things down. I just use the muffs while hunting..
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I was on the 3rd Marine Division rifle team, the Quantico base rifle team and the Marine Reserve rifle team. What was being sold as ear protection back then (1960's) were ear plugs similar to those used by swimmers. No real noise protection at all. However, when I applied to the VA for benefits based on hearing loss, I was denied. To my surprise I was awarded a 30% disability based on my exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam. Go figure!

For years I have worn both plugs and muffs and I now have the best hearing aids ever, so I don't suppose I should complain.

As far as the 7X64 is concerned, my BRNO 22H in that caliber has a 26" barrel, which reduces the noise effect to some extent. However, virtually every shot I take with it is at game. I don't spend a lot of time on the range working up loads. It is dynamite on whitetail deer!



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"However, when I applied to the VA for benefits based on hearing loss, I was denied."

Yeah. Me too. I think it's because every GI who ever fired a rifle or handgun in service probably had some form of hearing damage. I shot the M2 Carbine mostly with some of the AR-15 at the Air Force called it when it was first issued. That would run int a very pretty penny.
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The only way we practised to protect our hearing, apart from breaking off the filters of cigarettes and plug them in your ear was open our mouth when we know that one of the guns was about to fire, but when the gun next to you was firing a couple of seconds later you were a bout 20 yards a way from it and you got the full blast of noise with your mouth closed.



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i dont own a rifle in this caliber, but i reload this cartridge for a friend of mine, the rifle is a Browning european, i reload only one tipe of bullet, a hdy sst 162 grs, he shot small reh deer, wild boar and european deer, the bullett as the same point of impact at 100 and 200 mt, on small animals it is not much destructive and on large animals it is very effective, in the past i reload with  the 150 vita, but i dont remember the load, now i reload with vita 160 56grs, hdy sst 162 ang federal gm210 i dont chrono the speed....



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Paul Tummers wrote: The only way we practised to protect our hearing, apart from breaking off the filters of cigarettes and plug them in your ear was open our mouth when we know that one of the guns was about to fire, but when the gun next to you was firing a couple of seconds later you were a bout 20 yards a way from it and you got the full blast of noise with your mouth closed.
Wow Paul!  I used clean cigarette filters in my ears when I was a kid too!  And Dad taught us to open our mouth slightly when we squeezed off a shot.  I am quite a bit younger than some of you guys as well, but my left ear has lost a lot of the high notes too!  Too many jets on the tarmac!



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Same with my right ear, since i am a left hand shooter, the sh*t seems to travel around your head and attacks the ear opposite of were your stock is.



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