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John Giles Gun???
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 Posted: Tue Mar 22nd, 2016 01:39 AM
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Hey Guys, I came across this .45ACP and it reminded me of old style bulls-eye.  The Pistol is a Colt Government Model Serial # 2800xx-C.  From what I can find out that's a 1957/58 time frame build.



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I must admit I'm not up on older style bulls-eye guns.


This one has a light spring and came with two boxes of semi-wadcutters



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Any information greatly appreciated.
What ya think the worth is???? if it is a Giles gun?



 Posted: Tue Mar 22nd, 2016 02:15 AM
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If you do a Google or Bing search for John Giles 1911 you will find lots of links and photos. Here is a set of 3 Giles guns. The middle one being a .45.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=56541



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Hey Rocky, I have done that, just wanted to get another set of eyes on this piece.
I have noticed that Giles later work had his shop info on the right hand side of the rib, near the rear sight. This pistol has no information on the rib.
Giles was in Florida, this pistol came from Florida.



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His craft with pistols years back was pretty good,fired one of his 45's and ended up having one of mine done over, but was too busy and long time turn around so went to another shop, just as happy only a 5 month turn around vrs a year. Did very good work then.

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Bill, my grandpa had a Giles 45 and I remember him telling me that he always put a spot weld on the left hand side of the slide near the chamber. Grandpa didn't know why but liked it. He said it shot better.

On the value, I'm guessing mind you, but I seen one go for $1350 in 2013, so that should be a good starting place.



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John Giles 45's are some of the finest bullseye guns made. His guns and those produced by Jim Clark sr. dominated bullseye competition deep into the 80's. Now that the military teams shoot custom Berettas (that are hardly Beretta) and the average age of competitors is in the 50's or 60's, the .45's are at a big disadvantage. They're much harder to shoot than the 9mm's and not quite as accurate, even with the recent rule changes in regards to ammo. Most guys who are looking to buy old Giles or Clark guns are traditionalists like me who are still young enough to shoot .45's well, or a small group of nitch collectors. There's just not that many guys like me who love the vintage bullseye guns, and with collectors condition is everything. They'll pay more for a pristine Giles, or a pristine 3 or 4 guns set for sure, but the average Giles that was used every year in leagues, sectionals, regionals, and Perry don't seem to get a lot of attention. The 70 series guns are what most guys are after, but I don't believe there is such a thing as an undesirable Giles 1911. Well used but cared for guns with scratches and light bluing wear seem to go from $800 to $1200 depending on just how much wear exists and how tight the gun is. That's around me (Detriot area). Gunbroker seems to get the higher end of that spectrum if the pics show little wear (it's all about the lighting, lol).

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Hi Mike, Thanks for the information, I have not had time to work with this pistol since our move up to Washington State.
I may just keep it and load some low power rounds for it with Semi wadcutters.



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I wouldn't use anything but 185 or 200 gn LSWC's, that's what it was built to shoot. A VERY common load is 4.2 gn of WST with the 200 gn LSWC. That's what I use.



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