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Harry M Pope's treatise on Offhand Shooting
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 Posted: Sat May 28th, 2016 02:03 AM
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Although this was published in 1922 there's still a lot of relevance today. Harry M Pope was one of the finest barrel makers and rifle shooters in history. His manufacturing and engineering skills are legendary as was his shooting. Enjoy this advice found on the International Schuetzenfest site.

http://www.issa-schuetzen.org/off-hand-rifle-shooting.html



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 Posted: Sat May 28th, 2016 03:02 AM
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That's really a wonderful article. Maybe a bit hard to understand occasionally for a 21st century reader. Those old guys were exactly what most of us want to be: a real rifleman. Thanks, Dawg, for posting that.



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 Posted: Tue Jun 21st, 2016 10:17 AM
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The American and German Schuetzen shooters set records that held for 50 years, and some for longer. I have a Schuetzen rifle from the earliest 1900's, an "Original Haenel-Aydt". At 100 yards, and those guys were shooting at 200, offhand, the rifle will stay with most scoped, modern rifle shooters and it utilizes only a very fine tang mounted aperture sight. Last Friday I had a group going 1 inch to 1 1/8 inch for 7 shots. I was going for 10 when the sun came out from behind the trees and glared off the front sight on the right side. The last 3 shots opened the group to about 2 1/16 for 10 shots. I do believe had the sun not come out I could have held the group to no more than 1 1/2 inches. Not bad for a 100+ year old rifle and an old shooter who wears glasses.



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9.3X75R, I don't know how to say this politely, but, regarding your Haenel-Aydt......:worthless: Please?



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I thought I had posted it before but perhaps not, my apologies. It isn't one of the really fancy ones with all the checkering, engraving and the "dinner plate" cheek rest but I couldn't afford one of those...much as I'd like to. However, it does what it's supposed to, shoot and shoot very well!!! It was something of a challenge to come up with a means to load it as the dies have yet to arrive. I bought it as an 8.15 X 46R....and it isn't. Turns out it is some wildcat or something based on that cartridge. Brass was easy to make, simply fireform 30-30 brass to the chamber. It's basically a completely blown out 8.15 case to a slight, straight taper with a groove diameter of .345. Best load so far has been 18 grs. of IMR-4227 beneath an Accurate mold for the .348 WCF, plain based of 170 grs. cast of 50/50, lead/lino.





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9.3x75R, Thanks for the pictures. I saw a similar gun in an antique store about 30 years ago. I was too ignorant to even realize what it was at the time. I didn't even know that there was such a sport at one time. I didn't look at the price. Now that I know what it was, I still wonder what it sold for. RD



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Back when I was a young man there was a fella in my home town who had quite a collection of Schuetzen rifles and nearly all of them were very nice. As with yourself I was completely ignorant of them or the game and distinctly remember thinking they were quite ugly. I saw the old gentleman a few months ago at a gun show, he's my Dad's age, mid-late 80's, and I asked Melvin if he still had any Schuetzen rifles. Told me he had sold them all. Too bad, I would really enjoy owning a rifle he used to own. He and I worked together when I was in high school.



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I have both volumes of John Campbells work "The Winchester Single Shot" and among all the plain to fine 1885 rifles that Winchester built, they also had their Schuetzen rifles that could be factory ordered. I had read that Pope sometimes would order a barreled action from Winchester, with the barrel merely bored. He would finish the rifling and chamber it himself. Pope preferred the 1885. He once said "I work for Stevens and am obliged to shoot their junk".



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BPCR Bill wrote:
I have both volumes of John Campbells work "The Winchester Single Shot" and among all the plain to fine 1885 rifles that Winchester built, they also had their Schuetzen rifles that could be factory ordered. I had read that Pope sometimes would order a barreled action from Winchester, with the barrel merely bored. He would finish the rifling and chamber it himself. Pope preferred the 1885. He once said "I work for Stevens and am obliged to shoot their junk".

Pope built his own rifleing machine from bicycle parts and, IIRC, it was mounted on a wooden frame. At the time it produced the finest barrels that money could buy.

No hardcore rifle lover should go without reading this book. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=The+story+of+Pope%27s+barrels



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Beautiful rifle 9.3 thanks for the pics.

I especially like the lever, a work of art.



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