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Varget Substitute
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 Posted: Tue Mar 7th, 2017 03:57 PM
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swampratt wrote:
My bolt gun likes a load of varget at 17 F outside temp with 60 gr v max .. get to 50 F temps and forget about small groups.

H4895 for my .223
I have to weigh every charge on a beam scale even with ball powder..It is a disease I have.


Thanks for the info! I will definitely use the H4895 and see how it goes.



 Posted: Tue Mar 7th, 2017 04:47 PM
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Recob's got great pricing on the powders and also primers. I just wish I could carry it out like RD does. Spent many a dollar there over the years good price on Mec toys also.



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 Posted: Tue Mar 7th, 2017 11:05 PM
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sirtallstuff wrote:
Is it fair to say that a 55gr V-max does not equal 55 gr Sierra HP or SP?

Not really. Cup and core bullets are typically the same overall length, take up the same volume inside the case for a given cartridge OAL, and have the same engraving pressures. So, with that said, you can always use the same starting charge for a 55 grain Hornady, Sierra, Nosler, maybe not Berger depending on OAL (but most likely it is safe). You may NOT always find the same upper end charge will be safe for any given bullet of the same construction as another.

I would not substitute cup and core data for gilding or copper prjectiles. And, you can ALWAYS contact the manufacturer of a given bullet and get some data for your bullet choice. Basically, the same rules of safety apply for substituting load data for a different manufacturer's bullet. Start low, and work up slowly.

If you load CBTO, then you can do the math on seating depth, or buy a copy of QuickLOAD (I would do it even if you love math) to use for estimating starting charges. Their bullet, powder, and cartridge selection is encyclopedic, and upgrades are very conservatively priced. You could always ask someone to run some numbers for you as well, but then you have to wait, if you ever get the numbers anyway. Good luck, and keep learning and asking questions. I know I was kinda overwhelmed at first, and read up on reloading for at least a full year before buying my first press. These guys here were my tutors and gave me all the information I could ask for. They never belittled my ignorance either. Again, take it slow if you are just starting and keep asking questions! Just don't keep asking the same one over and over! LOL! :lol:

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 Posted: Tue Mar 7th, 2017 11:48 PM
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sirtallstuff wrote: olyeller wrote:
Hodgdon site lists 16 different powders for the 55gr SP bullet:........bility.


Thanks for the info... I just don't like how Hodgdon data is for 1 specific bullet. I like to see load data for the exact bullet and powder I am going to use.

Is it fair to say that a 55gr V-max does not equal 55 gr Sierra HP or SP?


Not really; all three bullets are cup and core bullets, ie same construction. Load data will be virtually identical.

Some loading manuals only distinguish between lead and jacketed bullets.:rolleyes:

Last edited on Tue Mar 7th, 2017 11:56 PM by olyeller



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 Posted: Tue Mar 14th, 2017 09:39 PM
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Compare loading data for Varget with those for IMR 4320.



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i kinda stumbled into it but both AR's, my XR100 and my CZ 527 all love 25 grains of 4064 topped off with 52 grain matchkings. its not the easiest metering powder but i have good luck with it in several calibers



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sirtallstuff wrote:
olyeller wrote:
Hodgdon site lists 16 different powders for the 55gr SP bullet:

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

You'll likely find a fan for each powder here on The Bench. Some swear by one or the other 4895's, others like H322 or H325, IMR4064, or BL-C(2), or......ad infinita.

See what's available in your area and give a couple a try. Paul suggests one that is not a Hodgdon; there are many to choose from. Don't overlook the Western brand powders (RamShot and Accurate); they have some very good choices, too.

It's more a matter of availability than suitability.


Thanks for the info... I just don't like how Hodgdon data is for 1 specific bullet. I like to see load data for the exact bullet and powder I am going to use.

Is it fair to say that a 55gr V-max does not equal 55 gr Sierra HP or SP?


So many other slight discrepancies exist that there is no difference in the bullets mentioned. You are supposed to work up carefully to your own maximum loads.



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 Posted: Sat Mar 18th, 2017 05:06 PM
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H4895 is my second to Varget, when loading for 223.



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