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Hornady ELD-X anybody tried them out yet ?
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 Posted: Sat Mar 4th, 2017 06:39 PM
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I was at a LGS last week and they had the whole lineup of Hornady ELD-X bullets,
the price was right so I got 2 boxes each of the 178's and the 220's (both in 30cal)to play with.
So here's the rub with Hornady- I have the #7 & #9 Hornady manuals,
but the ELD's are too new to be in there. So I go to the Hornady website to get the load data.
It tells me that I need to buy their #10 manual if I want that load data.
Now I'm not shy about buying reloading manuals that I need.
I have 20 or more of the relatively current ones plus quick loads on my computer.
Which is were I got my base data from and will work my loads up from there.
Just seems like if I just spent $150 on there bullets that I might get a little load data with it.
(ok I'm done griping and on to business)


I shoot long range stuff most of the year (600-1400 is my idea of long range), and I hunt elk where I find them.
Sometimes this means longer distances. So I seek out high performance stuff when I can find it.
The Barnes and Berger bullets have performed exceptionally well for me.
So when I see something promising like the ELD, It makes me want to test drive it ?
Does anyone have any range experience or results from game taken and if so at what distance ?
The 178's will be used in 308 and 30-06 and the 220's in 300WM. thoughts ?



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Hornady kind of pisses me off with those ELDs. Basically for years they have been making inferior match bullets. They finally figured out that their polymer tips were deforming and decreasing the BCs so they developed a fix for the problem  but instead of fixing their inferior product, they just called the new tips ELDs and charged more money for them and continued to sell the old inferior product and that is some BS on several levels so I think Hornady can go .....I think I'm just gonna start using sierra bullets from now on.



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I've got 145gr 277 ELD-X for my 270WIN. Just beginning to load it, but initial group is nice, .5 @ 100

Harvested a nice buck this season with 162gr 284 ELD-X out of my 280AI.

I got data for the 145gr 277 from Hornady tech staff via email. The 162gr I just worked up using 4000-MR and data for 160gr BT bullet. It shoots very well, too.

Very close to SST and Interbond for reloading, as would be expected. Buck was DRT at a little over 100yds; high shoulder hit got some of CNS. Damaged meat maybe a little less than SST.



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We tested them in my son's 6.5 Creedmoor and they shot one hole groups @100. I talked to Hornady about them. My question was, If these new tips are solving an old problem with the SST style plastic tips, then why aren't all the bullets getting the new tip? They're engineer told me that the tips weren't deforming and affecting BC until 600 yards and beyond and if I wasn't shooting that far that I wouldn't notice a difference.
The ELD appears to be an entirely new bullet, not an old bullet with a new tip. It looks much more sleek and aerodynamic. They shoot great in the 6.5 CM and my son took a nice 8 point whitetail with them this past season. He dropped where he stood.

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It's a fact: The Hornady® A-MAX® bullet design grew from a relentless application of everything we know about ballistics and flight characteristics. After all, match shooters demand perfection from their bullets every time they step on the range.

The aerodynamic secant ogive profile, the sharp pointed tip and the unequaled concentricity of the A-MAX® design give it an extremely high ballistic coefficient for near perfection in flight.

The A-MAX® bullet is the ultimate result of more than half a century of studying bullet performance. Ever aspect of accuracy has been designed into the A-MAX® bullet. From its polymer tip to the angle of the boattail, the A-MAX® bullet is engineered for extreme accuracy.

That's what Hornady has to say about their AMAX and it kind of seems like a bunch of BS. Nowhere in their description do they state that the AMAX is technically only suitable for distances less than 400 yards. I especially love the part about "from its polymer tip to...".

 I think the AMAX line ought to have the new polymer tips if they're going to continue to describe the AMAX in this way. Rather than fixing an inferior product, they chose to market a new, more expensive product and, thereby, capitalize on their error. They should have fixed their error, not capitalized on it.

So now I think that maybe I won't rush out and buy a bunch of AMAXs or ELDs for this summer. Maybe I'll shop around a bit.

incidentally, their product description for the ELD bullets states that the melting starts at 400 yards.









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I've been fooling with some 208 and some 178 in 308 I haven found anything yet that mine likes with them. Think my gun just doesn't like the long bearing surface. Or it's one recipe and that's it for my gun. I'm going to give my rifle a good cleaning been a good 250 rounds since last cleaning. And try the 178 again. And see if I can shrink those 2-3 inch groups to 3/4. I wanted the 178 to work I was really hoping to use it for a hunting bullet.

Thinking about trying them in my 30-06 too and see what it'll do with them.

I will say this they are some dang good looking billets and they should cut the air well. Performance wise. I believe they will do the job just by looking at the 3D model of the design.

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Let's see....I'm an old Army grunt but I have shot some....all over the world actually. I'm trying to understand how a plastic tip would begin to melt after 400 yards when it's actually going slower than it was at 100....

It would seem to me the heat is generated by the friction produced by the bullet moving through the air...drag, in other words.

Wouldn't that be higher earlier on when the bullet is moving faster through that same air?

I shoot Sierra, by the way.



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Russ Clagett wrote: Let's see....I'm an old Army grunt but I have shot some....all over the world actually. I'm trying to understand how a plastic tip would begin to melt after 400 yards when it's actually going slower than it was at 100....

It would seem to me the heat is generated by the friction produced by the bullet moving through the air...drag, in other words.

Wouldn't that be higher earlier on when the bullet is moving faster through that same air?

I shoot Sierra, by the way.

Good point, and you are right about friction.
I would posit the tip doesn't degrade enough within some short range to affect performance enough to measure. Degradation over extended distance at some point becomes measurable.



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Woodsman,
Just put an order in with Nosler for some of there bullets, should have them on Wednesday of this week. Put in for some 30's,7mm's and 6.5's. Got them from SPS in Oregon. Want to work up a load for my 6.5's first before boats go in.



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MY Creedmoor wouldn't shoot the Amax but it seems to prefer the ELD Match a lot better. Maybe they are a whole new bullet, or maybe my rifle is like a few ladies who change their mind on a whim.



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Russ Clagett wrote:
Let's see....I'm an old Army grunt but I have shot some....all over the world actually. I'm trying to understand how a plastic tip would begin to melt after 400 yards when it's actually going slower than it was at 100....

It would seem to me the heat is generated by the friction produced by the bullet moving through the air...drag, in other words.

Wouldn't that be higher earlier on when the bullet is moving faster through that same air?

I shoot Sierra, by the way.


I suspect that it's temperature over time that does the melting. Whether the temperature comes from the tip friction cutting the air in flight or as heat transfer from the bullet is probably the main consideration. I'd suspect the latter but I'm neither an engineer or a physicist. At any rate if you drop a piece of plastic on a hot surface it takes a few split second to build enough heat up and begin to melt. About the time it takes a bullet to travel 400 yards? In a bullet that is hot from barrel friction?

I agree that if they can add the new tip to their other products they should do so. RD



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I do not buy into the tip melting thing.
Why? because I have not seen it. Why? because my bullets aren't high enough BC.
From Hornady when asked about melting tips.

The Hornady 6.5mm 140gr A-Max is a very popular match bullet. Its long-time published G1 BC of .585 has been measured with chronographs at the muzzle, 100 and 200 yards. The radar verifies that exact BC out to 200 yards. When fired at 800 yards; however, the radar verified average BC it is actually .545.

This is because of the polymer tip melting and deforming during flight. When the traditional tip is replaced with a Heat Shield tip, the Radar verified 800 yard average BC becomes .610 – a huge improvement! Why a .610 when we already established a 200 yard BC of .585? The .610 BC shows that the traditional tip was already exhibiting degradation at 200 yards.

As mentioned, moderate and low BC tipped bullets (less than .550 G1) are not significantly affected.

Case in point: a 22 caliber 50gr V-Max with a conventional polymer tip, fired at 3,700 fps, has a 400 yard radar verified average BC of .232. With a Heat Shield tip, it still had a BC of .232. Similarly, a 7mm 162gr SST has a 500 yard radar verified average BC of .520. When tested with a Heat Shield tip, it only gained a small amount of BC - .532. The .012 increase in BC is too small to matter on this bullet at any distance this bullet would expand on game.

Got this from here.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568484



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It would not surprise me to see the SST phased out in favor of the ELD-X. Likewise the A-Max for the ELD-M.
Introduce two new bullets and phase out two older ones, one of which has "expansion problems" on game animals (SST).

Then there's the Interbond, which I never could get to shoot without flyers. It is sooooo popular it is only produced seasonally.

I use Sierra almost universally for initial load development, then switch to what I want to hunt with. Truth be known, I've probably killed more game with Sierra and Winchester bullets than anything else. :confused: why chase "something better"?

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Russ, Perhaps it has to do with the tip being exposed to the heat of friction with the air for a longer time.

Ken

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Shot some match ELD for the 223 and they shot nice. Sub .25 at 100 yards.



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