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 Posted: Thu Apr 6th, 2017 02:56 PM
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Can anyone lead me to info on legal restrictions or laws on reloading in New Jersey and New York?

Such as : Can you do it without a license (if you are making it for yourself?)

How much can you keep in your home?

I googled it and all the information that I got talked about handgun laws and restrictions.

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I highly doubt there are any laws relating to this as you request.

Now, there may very well be local fire codes regarding storage of gunpowder, typically not of interest until you cross 25 pounds or so.

Since Smokeless powder is a flammable solid, it is expressly NOT an explosive (The Holy Black is a Class C Explosive), typical fire code requirements involve "soft" containers, such as wood, an inch thick, which serve 2 purposes:
1- insulation from fire. Wood does not really "transfer" heat through it until it burns through.
2- inability to contain much pressure from inside. Smokeless powder burns extremely quickly ONLY when contained under multiple thousands of PSI pressure. In exposed open air, it burns much slower (a pound takes some 8 seconds) but generates a LOT of hot gas volume, which immediately splits seams and corners of wooden storage cabinets/crates/boxes relieving pressure before it gets built up.
Gunpowder stored in an ammo can for instance is almost a "pipe bomb" in effect if it got caught in a house fire.

Don't load up any Hollow Points in Jersey..... those are fraught with hazzards. You are allowed them for "hunting", but pretty much nothing else, it's a stupid minefield, but it's a Jersey Minefield.

From njfirearmsattorney.com:
New Jersey statutes specifically prohibit a person from possessing hollow nose, dum-dum, or armor piercing bullets other than law enforcement is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

Note that the statute does not require the ammunition be in a weapon, or even near a weapon. Indeed, no weapon is required at all. Simply having a single bullet in your pocket is sufficient to be found guilty of this serious charge.


From the NJ State Police (njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml)
Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:

A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
A person going directly to a target range, and;
A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."
As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.

If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.

These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.



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Now I see why you are "DAMANNOYED."

I do not know if I am more enlightened since I do not have a law degree or speak this foreign language.

So it seems that you cannot have a "dum dum" bullet in your pocket but you can have some in your house. And you cannot make them.

Thanks for the comprehensive response



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Sales of reloading needs a fed licens, but not if for yourself.

When I reloaded in NYS I was required to have a "Magazine license" as 4# of powder made it an explosives magazine. NOt costly, just a pain ITA. Primary for fire and police use.



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Depends on how much powder one has in NY, believe one can have up to 75 lbs ? Then again am not a lawyer and hell its my house stay away. Then one can build a magazine out of 3/4 pine to hold maybe up to 100 lbs ??????

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gifbohane wrote:
Can anyone lead me to info on legal restrictions or laws on reloading in New Jersey and New York?

Such as : Can you do it without a license (if you are making it for yourself?)

How much can you keep in your home?

I googled it and all the information that I got talked about handgun laws and restrictions.

I know, I know MOVE!


Thanks


I'm not usually one to criticize someone for living in a "Gun Free" state or municipality, but New Jersey? I couldn't visit a place like that much less live there.

I read a news article once about a guy who ended up having a lay over, in which he had to take his baggage to the hotel over night. In his baggage was a legally transported firearm, which was some how discovered when he re-checked his bags the next morning at the airport. Ultimately he ended up being charged with a felony.

In another incident a woman was pulled over, and apparently she had an empty shell casing in the car, the cop saw it and bam, she was in hand cuffs.

No way, I couldn't possibly live in a place like that, I'll stick with Arizona where permits are optional.

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I visited Jersey..... Twice.....

Uncle Sam sent me there once to Ft. Dix for ground combat school for USAF Security (I was in the last class to go there). October 1996

Uncle Sam sent me back, to spend a few days on McGuire AFB before taking a KC-10 to Kuwait City Intl. Airport (final destination Saddam Intl. Airport 3 weeks later).
April 2003.

Haven't been back since.

I used to have another identity on here gifbohane, one day the system here just refused to accept it, 3 yrs of fighting computer systems refusing to accept my login, even with Admin trying to help resetting passwords and so forth, I finally was Personally Offended (PO'd) enough to to just say "to heck with it" (not an accurate quote, but 'family friendly' lol) and started a new identity.
Damannoyed,, because I was, and am at the whole fiasco.

It's not these folks' fault, not admin's, "modern technology" it's great when it works.

When it decides not to,,,, it's a mother-something-or-other.......... at minimum,,, danged annoying.

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Generally speaking , in plain English , reloading ammo for yourself does not require any permit.
Reloading ammo for sale requires a manufacturing license , don't get into that area.
How much loaded ammo can you keep in your home ? As much as your wife will let you keep. When the closets get full and she gets tired of having no closet space then that's all you are allowed. At least that's how it works around my house !
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Oh, you poor guys! We have a law, we need a license to buy powder, only can buy 1 kilo at one time, only are allowed to store 3 kilo nitro powder, if one shoots a BP-rifle or -revolve as well, one even has more luck because 1 kilo BP counts as 2 kilo Nitro, so one can have just one other kilo nitro. Difficult if one shoots a pistol, a revolver and 2 rifles, so we look for powder that can be used as universal as possible and are always on the look-out for Nitro loads for our BP cartridge guns that will work without blowing them up in our faces.:sad::sad:



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Paul

I thought that New Yorkers lived in a fascist state!!

I guess that things can always get worser....



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We live in a country that only has one answer to terrorism,;keep the guns from the people as much as possible and for those who still have guns, make things so very difficult and annoying that they will give up shooting.



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Paul Tummers wrote:
We live in a country that only has one answer to terrorism,;keep the guns from the people as much as possible and for those who still have guns, make things so very difficult and annoying that they will give up shooting.

That is what they want in NY as well



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glad I live where I can do what I want.

no permit needed for concealed carry.
no magazine restrictions.
I keep a rifle in the truck and a handgun in the car at all times.
I leave them in there when I drop them off at the mechanic shop.
I just buy powder and primers.



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The Netherlands, New York, New Jersey and many are places, just point the way to our common future. A combination of current events and bad politicians and we all will be in that boat.



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I think, our politicians will pray on their bare knees for more of those"Current events" to ban all kinds of guns and shooting. They forget, especially in our situation, that the small army we have is for the mayor part involved in missions abroad and what we have left is a large group of older people like me who have been in the army and know how to handle a gun and eventually could assist police when things go "Over the top", but unarmed we will be of little use I am afraid because the government will not have the equipment and arms to get us going. It is at this moment so bad, that the soldiers who are on duty abroad will have to share Kevlar helmets, one groups comes in to rest, and the ones who have to go out will have to use the helmets of the ones who came in. That is what you get when you have people with the mentality of a grocery-shop keeper in your government.



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It's the most unfortunate confluence of circumstances that the personality types most drawn to a career in politics are of the kind you never ever trust alone with a large bag of cash, much less your 14 year old daughter!

They are as a class of people, scoundrels to the last man Jack of them! :wink:

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I agree with all the info above. But I'll add to verify the laws for your local community (fire/building codes), as well as check your home owners policy. Fire accelerants improperly stored or excessive amounts could void an insurance claim.



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