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2 questions in 1 post. favorite loads for 12ga and 20ga?
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 Posted: Tue Apr 11th, 2017 01:20 AM
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If I ever get time, I will be loading up some 12ga loads for my yearly pheasant hunting trip. buying ammo at $1+ per round gets expensive when I can load heavy loads for less than half that cost. what are your favorite loads? 2 3/4" 1 3/8oz shot. I like #5 shot for pheasants. what powder and wad combo? I have been trying out longshot with the Claybuster version of the WAA12R. Remington STS hulls.

for the 20ga, I want a good field load for small game and trap. 7/8oz. powder is my main problem here. I have the wads and shot I need, I just don't know what powder to use. I was able to find small amounts of different powders here and there but never enough to load any real quantity. I have tried 800x, herco and green dot. what powders do yall like for 20ga?



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800-X works pretty well for me.
international clay's meters pretty well but I'd probably just use green-dot for what you want to do in the 20.

I have also used green-dot for 3-1/4 dram loads with 1-1/8 oz in the 12 ga for pheasants.
I never seen the need for anything more than that.

heck if I was stuck with just one powder for my shot gun and pistol loading needs I'd just pick green-dot.



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I've always used Longshot for pheasant loads, but we've always used 12 ga. for that, so I can't say for 20 ga..

I use 1-1/4 oz. and 1-3/8 oz. nickel plated #4 or #5 shot. I've used # 6 shot when 5 or 6 were unavailable. These loads are screaming with Longshot, definitely magnum class but with lower pressures than when using faster burning powders.

As far as hull, wad combination, I just use the wad in the recipe for the hull I'm using. Most times we use STS hulls or AA's, but I know I've used a couple others from time to time when necessary.

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Have to agree with BC on the Longshot powder. I don't use the 12's any longer except for a few rounds of Trap ( Win AA and wads,700-X # 7 1/2 Win 209 primers and 1 1/8 oz shot ) The 20 Ga using Green dot Win 209 Win AA hulls & wads with 7/8 oz. My 12 & 20's are all old Win AA hulls. Am also loading Pheasant ammo for my 16's using Longshot powder and only NP shot ( nickel plated ) are 1 oz for the pheasant loads am driving my loads over 1500 FPS. The 28 & 410's are also using the NP shot. All my field loads are NP shot now. Did acquire some 12 Ga Cheddite hulls Loading 1 1/8 oz, longshot powder getting close to 1600 FPS.. My 16 ga for now ( still looking for a good hull ) Cheddite hull, longshot powder 32.0 charge with Z16 wads # 5.5 NP shot at a wee bit over 1600FPS ( pheasants love that one )
Have gone to the Duster wads in all mine for now ( since doing the duster wads they have been sold so not sure if still the same- bot some 10,000 wads between them all 12 to 410's ) all my hulls are Win except for the 16's. The 28 and 410's are the new AA HD .
Was given some copper shot, have not tried this one yet.

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For 20 gauge 7/8 target loads I use Universal.



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My Pheasant Grenade involves Federal High Power hulls (paper basewad), Blue Dot, RP-12 wads, and 1 3/8 ounce of 5's or 6's. 1325fps.
I use the High Brass H.P. hull solely to visibly differentiate that load from the Dove Load which goes in the Low Brass H.P. hull.

Brass height means nothing to the loading, but IS a useful separator for visual ID if you use it for such.

I do not like the AA12R wad for loads this full, too much sticks out over the top to scrub on the barrel, making a shotwrap advisable IMO.

For quail only I just shoot dad's handicap trapload, AACF's, 18.5gr Red Dot, AA12 wad (the white one), 1 1/8th oz. 7 1/2's.
When quail get up and I am pheasant hunting, I use whatever's in the Auto 5 (usually the Grenade), it is what it is. Same for Prairie Chicken.

Doves, 7/8 ounce of 9's, Fed. H.P. hull (low brass), will have to look up the rest, dunno................



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Have loaded some of the copper shot, but have not used it yet, maybe next season or do a round of clays ?????



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thanks for the info guys!!! i currently use 1oz shot with 700x fpr my 12ga trap loads. 1 1/8oz shot with 700x for doves us8ng #7shot. for green dot in the 20ga, what charge should i start with and where is a safe max? i cant seem to find the data i used the last time i loaded it.



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i talked to alot of older guys at the trap range who said 14gr of green dot behind 7/8oz shot used to be the gold standard for 20ga trap loads but i would like to find some hard data



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In the 12 I've been using Clays and Clay buster wads, have stop using any shot weight above 1 1/8 oz. of copper 5's and that's for late season when the birds are spooky its 1 oz at 1350 in the 12, and the 20's been my main birder for along time and again Intl. Clays, Clay Buster wads, 7/8's at 1350 or 1 oz at 1275 again hard or copper 5's. But I hunt over pointing dogs so my range is closer.



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Trapp3r,
You don't mention the hulls that your using for the 20's. Mine are all old Win AA hulls, with Win AA wads ( now using the Duster wads ) bought thousands before they were sold . Don't know how the new ones are . Green dot w/ 14.6 gr charge 7/8 oz shot & Win 209 primers. Using NP shot for all my upland # 5.5 for my pheasant loads and load NP down to # 8.5 grouse, woodcock , and quail ( not all that often on quail ) got some copper shot but have not hunted with it as a Handload yet .:thumbs:



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i have new win AA, rem sts premier and gun clubs. intried rhe 14gr of green dot in my moms browning a5 and it didnt always want to cycle. im looking at data and longshot seems to give great velocity and i can easily find that powder about anywhere. i may give it a try when i get around to it.



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All my shotguns are O/U so I just need to drive the round into the chamber and shoot. Don't have to worry about cycle the rounds. All my hulls are Win still have a ton of the 12's AA's old ones and some 20's. The 28 & 410's are the new AAHS which am not all that crazy about. The 16's well am still looking for a good hull am playing with the Cheddite, Rio's, Fiocchi, Fed and Rem leaning towards the Cheddite / Rio's at present. Longshot powder for then reach out fast loads ( my upland powder / pheasants etc ) primers are all Win 209's except for the 16's loadings there have some of each one's. Wads are also Win ( have the original Dusters which I like ) also. Just something to play with and shoot and enjoy. 16's wads are SG & Z wads, Rem a few of each also till I make up my mind.



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My favorite 12 gauge load for Pheasants and Turkeys uses Winchester AA 2 3/4 inch hulls and Winchester 209 primers. The powder charge is 34 grains of Blue Dot under 1 1/4 ounce of #5 magnum lead shot contained in a Lage Uniwad. This wad disappeared about 20 years ago but I still have nearly 1000 of them. This load cycles my Browning A% and patterns tighter than any turkey load I've ever purchased off the shelf. Also load the same components with #2 lead shot for late season pheasants that take off from cover when a car door slams 1/4 mile away. The #2's really reach out and touch them.

The Lage has a little "stool" in the shot cup. The wad doesn't seat out all the way to the end of the hull. The shot sits on top of the stool and actually sits higher than the wad cup. Upon firing the shot seats back into the cup and crushes the stool. You use the same wad for 1 1/8 and 1 1/4 ounce loads. The 1 1/4 load crushes the stool slightly upon crimping. This wad also makes a very good 1 1/8 trap load with 700X. RD

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