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On the Recobs Target Shop site I see 5 new IMR shotgun/pistol powders listed. The names are simply Red, Green, Blue, Target, and Unequal.

Looking at this one would assume that they are competitor versions of the Alliant "Dot" powders and Unique. The Target powder has me scratching my head. Another version of Clays?

Anybody else looked at these yet? Just curious. I have not yet had an opportunity to look at these and "dot" data side by side. RD

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Being how the others are trying to match Alliant's powders and from description, charges, and listed pistol uses, I'm thinking Target is Bullseye, alternative.

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Unequal = Unique, perhaps?

The only reason I would take a look at them would be if Clays or Universal become scarce. I can't trap or skeet without at least one of them.

http://www.imrpowder.com/shotpist.html

In the burn rate Unequal is right behind Universal and Unique.

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/burnratecolor.pdf

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RobertMT wrote:
Being how the others are trying to match Alliant's powders and from description, charges, and listed pistol uses, I'm thinking Target is Bullseye, alternative.

I didn't think about it being close to Bullseye. I'm thinking you are right. Of course Ed's link to the burn rate chart pretty much confirms it. RD

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Rockydog wrote:
On the Recobs Target Shop site I see 5 new IMR shotgun/pistol powders listed. The names are simply Red, Green, Blue, Target, and Unequal.

Looking at this one would assume that they are competitor versions of the Alliant "Dot" powders and Unique. The Target powder has me scratching my head. Another version of Clays?

Anybody else looked at these yet? Just curious. I have not yet had an opportunity to look at these and "dot" data side by side. RD


Yep, they match, by burn rate and data the Alliant Dots, Unique, and Bullseye.

No guarantee the density is the same, but measured by weight, same-same for the same loadings.

I have not used.

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RD you going to make me spend money at Recob's now. What you come up with will be needing some green soon or a replacement for it ?????? See what the Ozark man Ed comes up with ??? Have a nice day guy's. new powder :confused::confused::thumbs::lol::lol:

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sent e-mail to IMR got back a nothing that I requested answer was looking for info on the Green / Target and the unequal for the 16 ga and 45 ACP didn't even mention them powders for loads asked for 1 oz sent 1 1/8 oz 1 1/4 oz. Maybe need to give them more time to develop loads. Guess time will tell :dancing::dancing::dancing:

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According to my sources, they are supposed to be interchangeable, load for load, in shotgun shells yet they are saying to find data for metallic uses.

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so when are you loading some up ???????

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Hodgdon online has pistol loads using Target, Red and Unequal, they pretty well match up with Bullseye, Red Dot, and Unique data. I guessing, they will fill in Green and Blue data in time.

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From my experience Green Dot pistol data is somewhat scarce now. There is some on Alliant's site but virtually none on bullet manufacturers sites etc. RD

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red/green/blue-sot.
unequal is unique.
target is bulls-eye.

data come out like about 2 months ago.
I have seen it for sale [but not locally]
the price will not be any lower.

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Green Dot is my 20 ga loading powder, never considered it for a pistol load ?????

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From the horses mouth, so to speak. Chris Hodgdon talks about the new Hodgdon and IMR powders...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDu6YR9Deg0

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Ruffian wrote:
Green Dot is my 20 ga loading powder, never considered it for a pistol load ?????

Pretty much all shotgun powders are very capable of Pistol Duty.

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I probably won't try these unless they are cheaper than the originals (doubtful), or the originals are sold out or discontinued.

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everyplace I have seen them they are the same price as the Alliant powders.

green-dot falls right between red-dot and unique on the burn charts. [and in actuality from my testing]
most manufacturers seem to overlook it's usefulness as a pistol powder because of this.
they like to overlook Herco too.
but they are both very useful in the revolver rounds.
I like green-dot in the 45 acp but generally shoot it in the European hulls in 12 ga. trap and light field type loads in the American cases..
it is a great replacement for P/B in the paper hulls too, it gives off that pleasant smell of the powder and wax mixed together.

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"It gives of that pleasant smell" brings to mind the statement in the "Apocalypse Now" movie, where Robert Duvall (as Lieutenant Colonel William "Bill" Kilgore states), "I love the smell of napalm in the morning"!!

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Willie wrote:
"It gives of that pleasant smell"

That certainly begs the question just how many of us are consciously (or unconsciously) buying the powders that have a more pleasant smell than those that yield a neutral or even unpleasant odor after pushing the boolet down the tube?!?!?

I know there are those powders that I find agreeable and those that, just, well, smell no better than a Frenchman after a week at the beach in August!

Sorry R.D. for dragging the thread WAY :offtopic: but inquiring minds still want to know!

Last edited on Thu Apr 27th, 2017 10:54 PM by Guncrank

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No worries here. I've been known to lead a few down a primrose path myself. Besides, there is no better smell in the world than a trap range 1/2 way through the round with an entire squad of Factory New Federal paper cartridges in hand. I wonder what powder they are using in the factory paper hulls? RD


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