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Raccoon and possum vs. turkey population
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 Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 12:01 PM
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Was wondering if any studies have been done showing just how many turkey's are lost each year due to the raccoon/possum egg thieving?  Was wanting to get a printout of a local(anywhere in Arkansas) study, but any will due, just to show this 'greenhorn' warden that trapping is a good thing.

 

Been doing something different this year to help the turkey population at the deer lease...been trapping the little critters.  Trapping season has ended and the local biologist has decided that no additional trapping is necessary to control the amazing numbers of the raccoon?  I can still trap for coyote , but they are currently winning the battle.  Avoiding my traps completely, and staying far enough away from the snares seems to be the 'norm'. 

Hoping that reducing the number of raccoon by 39, and the possum by 12, that the turkey will have a few less unwanted critters getting in their nesting sights.

 

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 Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 06:02 PM
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Just Google "raccoon turkey depredation." There are quite a few hits, including one for MS.



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Don't have any specific figures but they do play havoc on eggs if they can find them.  The biggest thing one can do is to improve nesting habitat - though taking out a few predators won't necessarily hurt either:wink:



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 Erithizon dorsatum do a lot of damage to trees. Procyon lotor & Didelphus marsupialus may need a reduction if research shows they adversely effect turkey populations.



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scr83jp wrote:  Erithizon dorsatum do a lot of damage to trees. Procyon lotor & Didelphus marsupialus may need a reduction if research shows they adversely effect turkey populations.
W H A T????????????:confused:



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Porcupine = Erithizon dorsatum;Didelphus marsupialus =Opossum, Procyon lotor =raccoon I  went to college to be a wildlife mgt biologist but never worked in the field,I still remember all of the genus & species names. .

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These coons are harder to find then that.  Pine plantations out number hardwood growth 75 to 1......

 

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"Mortuus ad hystrux" - Death to porcupine.

I think I told the tale of 'Ole white patch' and his reign of terror up by our cabin. For several years he chewed though key structural supports in tree stands and the floors.

He had the uncanny ability to appear and disappear when a gun was retrieved. He was not so lucky in above pic.

I am providing a link to the "after" shot and what a .44 mag 180 grain neck shot does. Not for woman or children:

http://buckmountainchateau.com/images/porky_after.jpg

 

 

 



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wolfkill wrote: "Mortuus ad hystrux" - Death to porcupine.

I think I told the tale of 'Ole white patch' and his reign of terror up by our cabin. For several years he chewed though key structural supports in tree stands and the floors.

He had the uncanny ability to appear and disappear when a gun was retrieved. He was not so lucky in above pic.

I am providing a link to the "after" shot and what a .44 mag 180 grain neck shot does. Not for woman or children:

http://buckmountainchateau.com/images/porky_after.jpg That's not what I expected I was expecting to look at a porky blown into chunks like some of the ones my friends have hit with a 30-06 Ackley Improved HP round.
 

 

 



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Yes this is an old thread, but...  We are so over run with coons and opossums here here on my place, we live trap them year around. One way they find nesting birds is, just before hatching, the baby birds peep, and the preditors can hear that, and clean the nest out! I've actually seen it happen...

Anyway, i already sent three coons and a possy to coon/possy heaven since Mar. 1 alone.

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I went to harbor freight and purchased a large live trap and baited it with a secured can of cat food to live trap nuisance critters & get disposed of by contacting animal control who do pick them up.Covering a live trap with a canvas tarp wrapped around an exhaust pipe ,startup the vehicle the carbon monoxide puts skunks out w/o spraying or any other animal.



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This will solve the coon problem. Just read them the rights .



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Not turkey specific, but Delta Waterfowl has been doing a study for years re: waterfowl nesting success vs predation.....they results are really eye opening (and common sensical).  You can find the info at the Delta waterfowl website.



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Coons are the primary destrooyer of turkey egga. Turkeys are ground nesters, but sleep in trees on one the nests.

I'm an avid turkey hunter. Each spring I find dozens of turkey eggs eaten by raccons. They usually carry the egg to a hard surface and then break it open there. their mouth is too small to crqack the egg, but I do find teeth morks on eggs where they try.

In my turkey area I trap and kill 20-30 coons a year. I live trap and then shoot with a 22 short.
a hint, if you do like Sako says you will be suscessful (I use the same set-up). BUT---coons will try to dig out and pull 2 inches deep of grass/dirt into the mesh of the trap. this dirt fouls the trip mechanism and needs to be removed. I solved this by using a 1/4 inch plywood base for the trap. wood must be 8 inches all-round and under the box trap.

trap early and often. in Sept on you can usually find a trapper that will pick up dead ones at your house (he sells the fur). If you have a trapping license you can seel the fur, but casing the pelt and fleshing it is time consuming...I can't make even $3 and hour doing it.

Kill coons.

Ps Sako cat food works great.



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And this fall (2016) coon hides will be all but worthless.

Might get $2 for a very large well handled hide if youcan find a buyer. There are thousands in storage from the last couple trapping seasons.

Blue coons(early killed) wont even get an offer.



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Bobcats are hard on turkey populations. They are rough on quail also.



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At least bobcat pelts are worth putting up. I trapped and sold some a couple of years ago. Got a bit over $200 for a couple. Not bad for Oklahoma cats.



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I killed 2 bobcats yesterday and trapped 3 opossum I let the opossum go as they are good tick eaters..

Now should I kill opossum as there were no turkey's in the area this deed season.

Lot of coyote we kill every one we see.

OH I could not resist the Bob cat was white meat looked like chicken leg quarters.
Yep I ate some back strap and it was good..I have some leg and back meat in the fridge for another meal or 2.

I skinned the cat all the way to his nose..Never sold a fur .. do not know who buys them.



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Dp (dog proof) coon traps are the way to go. You can catch a truck load of coon with little effort. They will also catch opossum and skunk but other than that you dont get a lot of non target catches. They are easy to bait, I usually buy cheap cat food and mix in some peanut butter. Fill the trap just up to the trigger and plug the top with a marshmallow. Tbe marshmallow will keep mice from robbing your trap and coons love them. If you don't want to deal with a skunk stay away from bait with any fish or crawfish ingredients.I know a lot of you posting on this topic already know about dp traps, I'm just putting this out there for the people that don't have any trapping experience. In my opinion trapping is a great way to control predator populations and spend more time in the woods.

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